Ex-Mo's: Ever explore different options?
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Ex-Mo's: Ever explore different options?
Let me preface this by saying that I am a TBM and I don't intend on ever leaving the Church. I acknowledge that most who leave don't find another faith. We're used to born-agains in our face with their ignorance. Let's be honest: Evangelical Christianity is not very appealing to a group of people with the educational profile of Mormons.
But let's also recognize that that atheism offers nothing but despair. There are alternatives available. Philosopher Richard Sherlock, for example, converted to Catholicism because he said that faith needs to be rational and Mormonism is based too much on feelings. What I find especially appealing is Eastern Orthodoxy. They bear an uncanny resemblance to what Mormons are used to: temples, priesthood, deification, no guilt from original sin, continuing revelation, degrees of glory, and much more, all within a Trinitarian framework.
But let's also recognize that that atheism offers nothing but despair. There are alternatives available. Philosopher Richard Sherlock, for example, converted to Catholicism because he said that faith needs to be rational and Mormonism is based too much on feelings. What I find especially appealing is Eastern Orthodoxy. They bear an uncanny resemblance to what Mormons are used to: temples, priesthood, deification, no guilt from original sin, continuing revelation, degrees of glory, and much more, all within a Trinitarian framework.
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Re: Ex-Mo's: Ever explore different options?
Sorry Nelson but your characterization of both atheists and evs is overly general, wrong, and offensive.
Good luck with your closed mindedness.
Good luck with your closed mindedness.
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SteelHead wrote:Good luck with your closed mindedness.
There is the pot calling the kettle black.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
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You are funny Tobin, us candomblistas are incredibly accepting of other ideas, and religions.
It is Mormons that claim theirs is the only true path.
It is Mormons that claim theirs is the only true path.
It is better to be a warrior in a garden, than a gardener at war.
Some of us, on the other hand, actually prefer a religion that includes some type of correlation with reality.
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I didn't "characterize" atheists. There are plenty of atheist thinkers who believe atheism is nihilistic, e.g. Nietschze. Like V.S. Ramachandran said, we're nothing but a pack of neurons. That's quite a suicidal philosophy to live by.
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Re: Ex-Mo's: Ever explore different options?
SteelHead wrote:Sorry Nelson but your characterization of both atheists and evs is overly general, wrong, and offensive.
Sorry Nelson but your characterization of atheists is overly general, wrong, and offensive. (I put evs into the same category as mormons, catholics and muslims. The list can be continued.)
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- To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
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Nelson Chung wrote:There are plenty of atheist thinkers who believe atheism is nihilistic, e.g. Nietschze.
Nietschze was ill.
As mentally as bodily.
And as a philosopher.
Please use sane people as examples.
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- To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
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Re: Ex-Mo's: Ever explore different options?
"The educated profile of Mormons..." Now there's an arrogant phrase to contemplate.
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Ludwigm is right about his grouping in regards to educational profiles. Statistically Mormons complete college at a rate slightly higher than average, but below many other denominations, with the majority of the hit due to the high drop out rate of Mormon women.
Nelson, methinks, is being intentionally bombastic.
Nelson, methinks, is being intentionally bombastic.
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Re: Ex-Mo's: Ever explore different options?
Nelson Chung wrote:Let me preface this by saying that I am a TBM and I don't intend on ever leaving the Church. I acknowledge that most who leave don't find another faith. We're used to born-agains in our face with their ignorance. Let's be honest: Evangelical Christianity is not very appealing to a group of people with the educational profile of Mormons.
I'm not ex-Mormon but when someone figures out LDS truth claims are not true, it's likely they will figure it out about Christianity as well.
But let's also recognize that that atheism offers nothing but despair.
Lets not. This just tells us about your ignorance and bias.
There are alternatives available. Philosopher Richard Sherlock, for example, converted to Catholicism because he said that faith needs to be rational and Mormonism is based too much on feelings. What I find especially appealing is Eastern Orthodoxy. They bear an uncanny resemblance to what Mormons are used to: temples, priesthood, deification, no guilt from original sin, continuing revelation, degrees of glory, and much more, all within a Trinitarian framework.
Why not just go with what the evidence tells us, and not worry about that which we don't know. If I leave Mormonism I don't need or want to replace it with something that has some resemblance to Mormonism.
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