LDS leader has been ensconced

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Mittens, I am not active LDS, but I don't think those links are good. The idea that Jesus was God incarnate just isn't found in the earliest records.
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Which earliest records are you referring to?
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Albion wrote:Which earliest records are you referring to?


Try this for a start. http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=FOSmbmEf ... OSmbmEfqBY
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http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/trini ... story.html


This is excellent link, and worth a read.
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Mary wrote:
Albion wrote:Which earliest records are you referring to?


Try this for a start. http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=FOSmbmEf ... OSmbmEfqBY


How about the Book of Mormon was the Trinity added to the Book of Mormon too ?


2 Nephi 31:
21 And now, behold, my beloved brethren, this is the way; and there is none other way nor name given under heaven whereby man can be saved in the kingdom of God. And now, behold, this is the doctrine of Christ, and the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God, without end. Amen.

Alma 11:
44 Now, this restoration shall come to all, both old and young, both bond and free, both male and female, both the wicked and the righteous; and even there shall not so much as a hair of their heads be lost; but everything shall be restored to its perfect frame, as it is now, or in the body, and shall be brought and be arraigned before the bar of Christ the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, which is one Eternal God, to be judged according to their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil.

Mormon 7:
7 And he hath brought to pass the redemption of the world, whereby he that is found guiltless before him at the judgment day hath it given unto him to dwell in the presence of God in his kingdom, to sing ceaseless praises with the choirs above, unto the Father, and unto the Son, and unto the Holy Ghost, which are one God, in a state of happiness which hath no end.


COUNSEL GIVEN BY PRESIDENT CHARLES W. PENROSE

Now, some of our brethren have taken up quite a discussion as to the fullness of the everlasting gospel. We are told that the Book of Mormon contains the fulness of the gospel, that those who like to get up a dispute, say that the Book of Mormon does not contain any reference to the work of salvation for the dead and that there are many other things pertaining to the gospel that are not developed in that book, and yet we are told that the book contains "the fulness of the everlasting gospel." Well, what is the fullness of the gospel? You read carefully the revelation in regard to the three glories, Section 76, in the Doctrine and Covenants, and you find there defined what the gospel is. There God, the Eternal Father, and Jesus Christ, his Son, and the Holy Ghost, are held up as the three Persons in the Trinity—the one God, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, all three being one God. When people believe in that doctrine and obey the ordinances which are spoken of in the same list of principles, you get the fullness of the gospel for this reason: If you really believe so as to have faith in our Eternal Father and in his Son, Jesus Christ, the Redeemer, and will hear him, you will learn ail about what is needed to be done for the salvation of the living and redemption of the dead.

When people believe and repent and are baptized by divine authority, and the Holy Ghost is conferred upon them as a gift, they receive the everlasting gospel. We used to call it, and it is now called in the revelations, the "gift of the Holy Ghost," the Holy Spirit that proceeds from the Father through the immensity of space, which guides, directs, enlightens, which is light in and of itself, which is the Spirit of intelligence, the light of truth. (General Conference Report, April 1922, pp. 27-28.)
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Mary wrote:http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/trinity/trinity-history.html


This is excellent link, and worth a read.



Your Link says no trinity mentioned in Old testament, You find the Trinity mentioned in the First book already.

Gen 1:
26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

Gen 11:
5 But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower which the sons of men had built. 6 And the Lord said, “Indeed the people are one and they all have one language, and this is what they begin to do; now nothing that they propose to do will be withheld from them. 7 Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.”


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president monson could learn a lot from pope francis.

bob dylan once said "everybody said she's the brain's behind pa." meaning that women tend to have a bit of sway over their men. he should stop listening to his wife, frances and pay attention to pope francis. pope francis refuses to live in the grand papal apartments in the apostolic palace. instead, he lives in a regular housing unit in the vatican. and he's done countless other things to bring the catholic priesthood back to a christ-centric attitude. recently, he said that in the clergy there was no room for careerism or social rising.

you'd never see monson do that. i could picture richard g. scott and perhaps russell m. nelson. but thinking about quentin cook, todd cristofferson, or jeffrey holland doing something similar is not short of hilarious. it just wouldn't happen.
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Monson enjoys his 2.8 million dollar condo


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I would like to see the Apostles follow the example of Benjamin from the Book of Mormon.

Benjamin was a humble man who worked with his own hands to maintain himself and his family, refusing to live off his people or to surround himself with the trappings of wealth and power.
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Bazooka wrote:I would like to see the Apostles follow the example of Benjamin from the Book of Mormon.

Benjamin was a humble man who worked with his own hands to maintain himself and his family, refusing to live off his people or to surround himself with the trappings of wealth and power.


So you want the Apostles to follow a mythical person out of a mythical book ? Why not the Apostle Paul a real person out of a real book ?
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