A letter to my Bishop

[_Bhodi]

Considering that this is coming from someone who asks total strangers to discuss details of their genitalia and reproductive intentions on a public message board dealing with religion, you can trust me when I tell you that I will afford your statement the credence it deserves.

You are extremely interested in others sex lives and masturbation practices? While I could not care less about others' genital, and am not sure why subgenius may be, you are hardly the person to point it out.

[_DrW]

Considering that this is coming from someone who asks total strangers to discuss details of their genitalia and reproductive intentions on a public message board dealing with religion, you can trust me when I tell you that I will afford your statement the credence it deserves.

You are extremely interested in others sex lives and masturbation practices? While I could not care less about others' genital, and am not sure why subgenius may be, you are hardly the person to point it out.

Bhodi,

It would appear that you missed the following from LittleNipper directed to Jutta:

So do you have a monthy flow and do you intend to get pregnant? I'm not meaning to be cruel; however, unless your body possessed both genders, you are artificial in your look as a woman, and in essence you are more properly a eunuch. I suggest you seek out a good Christian Bible Church and perhaps you will see God loves us where we are and how we are. He will move believers to conform to His Son and you will find peace ---- finally.

My comment to LN was in reference to the above. Sometimes it is better to read more and write less. This applies especially to one who claims to do his research.

In answer to your question as to my interest in the sexual practices of others; I have none. And you will be hard pressed to find anywhere on this board (or anywhere else, for that matter) where I express such interest. Given your comment, I can only conclude that you are just trying to be an asshole again.

I do, however, find it extremely offensive when delusional religionists like LittleNipper ask extremely personal questions about the genital anatomy of strangers and then presume lecture them on sexual conduct and reproduction as he did in the text quoted above..

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[_Bhodi]

My comment to LN was in reference to the above. Sometimes it is better to read more and write less. This applies especially to one who claims to do his research.

In answer to your question as to my interest in the sexual practices of others; I have none. And you will be hard pressed to find anywhere on this board (or anywhere else, for that matter) where I express such interest. Given your comment, I can only conclude that you are just trying to be an asshole again.

I do, however, find it extremely offensive when delusional religionists like LittleNipper ask extremely personal questions about the genital anatomy of strangers and then presume lecture them on sexual conduct and reproduction as he did in the text quoted above..

So you started a thread about better sex because you don't care...?

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=29255

I have never seen a forum where people are so concerned with the sexual and masturbatory practices of others.

[_Bhodi]

So what would be wrong with Jutta deciding to become a woman (through the means that man allows) ???

Man is rife with changeing natural processes ... why should this one be any different.

Just for example ... how about creating a damn on a river ... that certainly has more impacts than whether Jutta wants to change her sexuality.

Honestly I have some reservations with this, I do not have a problem with homosexuality, but I do not agree with sex changes. It is too much of a major change that I consider unnecessary. Being comfortable with who you are is a major challenge in life that everyone goes through, but I think major changes like this are counter-productive. We should accept who we are for who we are, not seek to change who we are. Nevertheless it is her life, and if she wants to, it is her choice.

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[_Bhodi]

And do you have a problem with all the other places that man decides to change the natural course of things?

Actually I really do. We are far too quick to make major change in personal appearance. Too fat, too skinny, bad nose, lips not full enough, etc... I am not a big fan of altering appearance drastically, or even in minor ways. We live in a society that cannot age, cannot deviate from a predetermined status of beauty that is just artificial. Everything is subject to change. I think this only exacerbates the problem which is an inability to accept what is.

I think it is healthier to accept what is rather than seek to change it. Acceptance is far healthier, psychologically, in my opinion.

Jutta is certainly welcome to her choices, and if this is her choice, I certainly wish her well, I would not want her to be unhappy, but if someone sought counsel from me I would say accept yourself as you are before attempting to dramatically change yourself physically.

[_DrW]

My comment to LN was in reference to the above. Sometimes it is better to read more and write less. This applies especially to one who claims to do his research.

In answer to your question as to my interest in the sexual practices of others; I have none. And you will be hard pressed to find anywhere on this board (or anywhere else, for that matter) where I express such interest. Given your comment, I can only conclude that you are just trying to be an asshole again.

I do, however, find it extremely offensive when delusional religionists like LittleNipper ask extremely personal questions about the genital anatomy of strangers and then presume lecture them on sexual conduct and reproduction as he did in the text quoted above..

So you started a thread about better sex because you don't care...?

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=29255

I have never seen a forum where people are so concerned with the sexual and masturbatory practices of others.

Passing along a suggestion for improving intimacy, as described in the scientific literature, indicates that I have concern for the general well being of sexually repressed Mormons.

It in no way indicates that I am interested in the particulars of their sexual activities, or indeed whether or not they even have sex.

I trust that you can understand the distinction.

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[Guest]

You say Jutta is certainly welcome to make the choice , but yet you say you have a big problem with that any man in general would make that choice. Is that because Jutta is here and is more personal?
But when you think about it in a general sense , it just turns your stomach? How can you expect Jutta to not take that in a derogatory sense?

Can you not look within yourself and ask ... how does this effect me? ... hmm maybe I can find it within me to atleast keep my mouth shut and not hurt someones feelings ... which is worse than this offending your delicate sensibilities.

I hardly think it is wildly unlikely that Jutta would find that some people disagree with her choices. Some people disagree with my choices, I do not take it personally. I can easily say that I disagree but that it is her choice, because it is clearly her choice.

I do not agree with abortion. I am not sure when life really begins, but I am uncomfortable with abortion because of the ambiguity. When asked I have and will continue to counsel against it, but I am pro-choice. I think it should be legal, because that makes it relatively safe. I can only offer counsel because it is not my life and people have to make their own decisions.

I do not have to agree with Jutta to appreciate that it is her life and she needs to make the decisions she sees fit. There is nothing derogatory in this, I simply disagree.

I assume we can discuss issues as adults and disagreement can be taken as such. If she wants to publicly profess her decision to seek a sex change and the relationship with the LDS Church and others concerning the choice, I can only assume that she would be likely prepared for some legitimate disagreement. There has been no condemnation or judgment, simple disagreement. I am not sure where you find this offensive?

Edit: If this were a support group, I think you would have a very valid point. If this were something I just said, unprovoked, I think you would have a valid point. When Jutta brings it up on her own in this fashion, I can only believe that she is prepared for what I considered respectful disagreement. I do not think any less of her (I even have no problem referring to her as a "she" because this is what she has determined), but I think this can be discussed in a philosophical sense without personal animosity.