Florida jury instructions, before and after SYG

[Guest]

You see, beastie, T-Mart was essentially Mike Tyson; his massive fists of fury should have been registered as lethal weapons. One more monster punch and Herr Jorge would have been totally dead.

How can you be so insensitive. When you're punching someone in the face you can break an eye socket, break their nose, you can actually make someone hemorrhage (bleed out).

Why in the world was TM pounding GZ's head against the concrete? Why was he punching him in the face?

How do you justify this attack?

- Doc

Well said Doc.... The DEGREE of "insensitivity" shown here is amazing, but not surprising.
Liberalism is a mental and moral disorder.

We feel for the loss of a young man. But, that doesn't excuse his actions, and doesn't change Zimmerman's reasonable fear for his own wellbeing.

By the way.... Just saw one of the other evidences that further shows Trayvon was the actual aggressor.
Trayvon went to his house, and THEN came back and went to Zimmerman.

[_krose]

When you're punching someone in the face you can break an eye socket, break their nose, you can actually make someone hemorrhage (bleed out).

Yeah, and if you shoot someone in the heart, they might live. Pretty rare, though.

Why in the world was TM pounding GZ's head against the concrete?

You do realize that's just his story, don't you? The guy who could refute that account just happens to be dead, for some reason I can't seem to recall. What reason was that again?

[_ldsfaqs]

Why in the world was TM pounding GZ's head against the concrete?

You do realize that's just his story, don't you? The guy who could refute that account just happens to be dead, for some reason I can't seem to recall. What reason was that again?

Lord..... You clearly haven't even been following the facts and evidence.
If you had, you would know that SEVERAL witnesses saw TRAYVON on top of Zimmerman, and even wailing his fists down on Zimmerman.

Further, you clearly don't have a brain not even knowing what you said.

There is "physical evidence" of Zimmerman's wounds on his head.
So, tell us Krose.... Did Zimmerman beat his OWN head against the concrete to make those wounds???
So, how can you claim it's just "Zimmermans story"???

Total idiot you are.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

When you're punching someone in the face you can break an eye socket, break their nose, you can actually make someone hemorrhage (bleed out).

Yeah, and if you shoot someone in the heart, they might live. Pretty rare, though.

Why in the world was TM pounding GZ's head against the concrete?

You do realize that's just his story, don't you? The guy who could refute that account just happens to be dead, for some reason I can't seem to recall. What reason was that again?

Yep. Let's just ignore all those racist witnesses.

Pathetic.

- Doc

[_krose]

Yep. Let's just ignore all those racist witnesses.

As I've said before, I didn't follow the trial closely. So tell me, did "all those witnesses" really testify that they all saw Martin "pounding" Zimmerman's head into the concrete repeatedly?

[_ldsfaqs]

Yep. Let's just ignore all those racist witnesses.

As I've said before, I didn't follow the trial closely. So tell me, did "all those witnesses" really testify that they all saw Martin "pounding" Zimmerman's head into the concrete repeatedly?

Some saw "parts", but every single one said Trayvon was on top.

[_beastie]

Yep. Let's just ignore all those racist witnesses.

As I've said before, I didn't follow the trial closely. So tell me, did "all those witnesses" really testify that they all saw Martin "pounding" Zimmerman's head into the concrete repeatedly?

No witness saw TM pounding GZ's head into the sidewalk. Some witnesses said they thought TM was on top, but others said GZ was on top.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/USA-Update ... n-conflict

[_Quasimodo]

Well said Doc.... The DEGREE of "insensitivity" shown here is amazing, but not surprising.
Liberalism is a mental and moral disorder.

ldsfaqs is a mental and moral disorder unto himself. There are liberals in the world and there are conservatives in the world. There is only one ldsfaqs, thank God.

[_beastie]

However, it's certainly not fair to compare TM to a teenager who was engaging in criminal activity.

Fair enough.

My question is do you agree with the verdict for the man who shot the teenage thief in Cinepro's link? This shooter certainly could have gotten away without killing the teenage thief if you accept the facts of the case. It doesn't appear that the teenager was armed either. Why run at someone if you can shoot him from a distance?

I'm not as familiar with the details of this case, so my opinion is based on cursory reading of a couple of articles. Scott said he told the teens to not move, and had instructed his wife to call 911. One of the teens charged him and he assumed the teen was armed and shot him.

To me, it is a crucial distinction that the teens were actually committing a crime. It's more reasonable to assume that they may have been armed. Roderick was openly pointing the gun at the teen who still charged at him. When someone charges at you while you're pointing a gun at him, assuming he's armed is not unreasonable. Having said that, there are some other troubling details, like he was shot in the back as well as the chest, so I really don't know. But my initial instinct is that this case is so different than the TM shooting that it's a very unfair comparison.

Besides which, Roderick was immediately arrested and investigated. The police were willing to pretty much take GZ at his word and did only a brief investigation, according to some witnesses they questioned. He wasn't even arrested or seriously investigated until public opinion was aroused.

[_ajax18]

What if TM were caught with a burglars tool during this incident and it was unequivocally proven he was casing houses or in the process of pulling off a burglary? Would your opinion of the confrontation swing the other way? Or would you maintain that GZ could have found some other way to escape TM than shooting him?