Mandatory Euthanasia of Senior Citizens.... Liberal Morality

[_ldsfaqs]

More liberal morality on display..... Most of the people understood exactly what they were signing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4BEY1lZDyg

[_moksha]

Doesn't the morality depend upon the profit and loss statement for the Soylent Green Corporation and whether they contribute to the Super GOPac?

[_Analytics]

More liberal morality on display..... Most of the people understood exactly what they were signing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4BEY1lZDyg

Actually, that is conservative morality. Those guys who signed the petition were all conservatives. It makes sense because they are the ones who like to kill, with their gun fetishes and all.

[_RayAgostini]

I agree with about three or four Greens' policies, and this is one of them. Never voted Greens, and never will, but on this one they have my full support:

Cate Faehrmann, Rights of the Terminally Ill Bill (New South Wales Parliament) (The full Bill and its requirements to qualify for VE are given in the three PDF links, and those requirements are very tight.)

Cate's speech Rights of the Terminally Ill Bill 2013 (You Tube)

The Bill was defeated in the NSW Parliament, which was the expected outcome, even though 80%-85% of Australians support VE. That's democracy in action for you.

Dr. Philip Nitschke,
who runs Exit International:

...became the the first physician in the world to administer a legal, lethal voluntary injection under the short-lived Rights of the Terminally Ill Act of the Northern Territory in 1996.

The Northern Territory Bill was overturned in the Federal Parliament, led by conservative Christian Kevin Andrews private member's Bill.

Rights of the Terminally Ill (Euthanasia Laws Repeal) Bill 2008

The overturning of the ‘Rights of the Terminally Ill Bill’ in the Northern Territory at the instigation of Kevin Andrew was a reprehensible display of bigoted religious ideology forced onto the population against their wishes under the guise of the legal technicality of it being a territory and not a state. The repealing of this act is a must to uphold that all citizens of Australia are equal before the law, whether residing in a state or territory.

[_beastie]

I agree with about three or four Greens' policies, and this is one of them. Never voted Greens, and never will, but on this one they have my full support:

I ignore ldsfaqs for various reasons, but have to add my adamant support for this as well. People who distort the right to death with dignity in the face of terminal illness into mandatory euthanasia ought to be ashamed.

[_moksha]

I agree with about three or four Greens' policies, and this is one of them. Never voted Greens, and never will, but on this one they have my full support:

I ignore ldsfaqs for various reasons, but have to add my adamant support for this as well. People who distort the right to death with dignity in the face of terminal illness into mandatory euthanasia ought to be ashamed.

Both of you make excellent points. I certainly would like to reserve the right to terminate myself if I was facing protracted pain from an incurable illness, and I would like the medical system to assist me in this termination.

[_ldsfaqs]

More liberal morality on display..... Most of the people understood exactly what they were signing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4BEY1lZDyg

Actually, that is conservative morality. Those guys who signed the petition were all conservatives. It makes sense because they are the ones who like to kill, with their gun fetishes and all.

Woe unto those who call good evil and evil good..... WOW!

1. Conservatives have NEVER supported the killing of the Elderly OR the Disabled.

2. Conservatives only believing in Killing for self defense and that of bad guys.

3. Liberals on the other hand kill babies, have always wanted to kill the elderly as well as the disabled, historically have been for Eugenics, genocide, etc.

So, not only do I show you as a liar with the facts, but I show further how you are a liar in that it's actually your side that believes in killing in many other ways, not simply self defense.

When are you people going to stop lying? There is no truth in evil.

[_krose]

People who distort the right to death with dignity in the face of terminal illness into mandatory euthanasia ought to be ashamed.

Indeed. That's where Palin came up with the brilliant notion of "death panels" in the ACA -- from a proposal to help people plan ahead and decide whether they want extraordinary measures to be taken to revive and sustain them near the end of their lives.

[_MeDotOrg]

People who distort the right to death with dignity in the face of terminal illness into mandatory euthanasia ought to be ashamed.

Indeed. That's where Palin came up with the brilliant notion of "death panels" in the ACA -- from a proposal to help people plan ahead and decide whether they want extraordinary measures to be taken to revive and sustain them near the end of their lives.

People talk about the 'Circle of Life' but in reality they treat it like a line. And the end of the line is the end of life, and the end of life is to be avoided at all costs, because life is sacred.

But if we look at the universe, don't we see that old lives give way for the new? And if you think of our world like that, the linear line of separate lives and deaths merge, and curve into a circle. Everything constantly re-invents itself.

My father died when he was 86. He had always lead an active in life, but the last 15 years of his life were not kind. He had always been the man in charge, the guy who picked up the tab, but it was hard to be that guy when you were using a walker. A series of strokes slowed his speech. A room filled with banter, the kind of room he used to effortlessly navigate, was becoming an incomprehensible universe. The final humiliation was incontinence.

He was an old man who had a good life. He didn't want to be a burden. When he fell and broke his hip there was a complication, and with the family all gathered around his bed he said "let me go, let me go". Medicine was capable of prolonging his suffering, but our family (who received end of life counseling at the hospital) elected not to.

Social institutions and conventions change, sometimes for very pragmatic reasons. The average age of marriage has risen continuously over centuries in developed countries. Birth control has lead to different social models. Sex has been decoupled from marriage, and (for those who are educated enough) the control of child bearing for women.

Advances in medicine can give us a lot more life. The American lifespan nearly doubled in the 20th century. But for many elderly people, the end of their lives begins to look like a futile rearguard action that only postpones the inevitable, without adding to the richness of their life experience. People should have the right to make well informed choices about the end of their lives.

When you see life as a circle (i.e. reincarnation) the idea of giving up your life to make way for the new is not something that should be avoided at all costs.

[_Analytics]

Conservatives only believing in Killing for self defense and that of bad guys.

3. Liberals on the other hand kill babies, have always wanted to kill the elderly as well as the disabled, historically have been for Eugenics, genocide, etc.

When are you people going to stop lying? There is no truth in evil.

In summary, you think liberals are evil people who support killing the elderly, the disabled, and the unborn. In short, you think we are evil; we are the bad guys.

And you think people like yourself in your white hats are justified in killing bad guys. That means you are in favor of killing liberals, right?

Remind me who is in favor of genocide?