Same-sex Marriage.

[_Some Schmo]

Wade's been posting the same crap or so long, it's starting to smell like mothballs. I'm not sure if it's the packing he's using or because he's been in the closet so long.

[_wenglund]

Well, duh (as my teen used to say). The point was that many are lesbians, which the comment about diminishing a mother's role completely ignored. But moving on...

It wasn't ignored. It was put into proper context.

To understand the suffix in this usage, you must stop thinking of "fear" as the only meaning. An anglophile likes English people. An anglophobe dislikes them (it's not fear here).

Hope that helps.

Since I don't dislike homosexuals, my question still stands.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_wenglund]

Also, what is it, exactly, about having two opposite-sex parents that you think is inherently better for children? Just having both sets of organs in the house? Or is it something to do with filling the traditional, proclamation-approved gender roles of nurturer and provider?

I explain this in my blog post on Same-Sex Marriage--Blurs Critical Ma;e/Female Distinction.

Do you believe children are also harmed by parents who don't conform to traditional roles?

No.

My own children were raised by an at-home father and a mother who worked full time and traveled extensively for work. They were fed, bathed, rocked, changed, taken to ballet class and comforted mainly by their dad (who hates working for a paycheck, but loves nothing more than caring for children). Their mom (a good provider who enjoys a successful and fulfilling career, but would be driven crazy staying home) spent as much time with them as she could, in a more limited role. It worked great for everyone, as evidenced by two loving, well-adjusted adults who could not have turned out to be any better people.

Wonderful.

In every successful relationship, each parent should fill the role for which he or she is best suited, emotionally and by skill set. Not every woman is better at nurturing than her husband, and not every man is better suited to be a provider than his wife. Forcing these roles can be trouble.

Agreed. There are exceptions that prove the rule.

Each parent, whatever their sex, brings a different skill set to the table in any joint effort of caring for children. It stands to reason that if a dad can successfully fill the old-fashioned, traditional "mom" role in a heterosexual couple, certainly one of two dads can do it. And they do.

Sure. And, single mothers also fill the role of both father and mother as best they can.

And, were I talking about exceptions rather than the rule, and were I talking about making the best of one's circumstances rather than the general idea, you may have a point.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_wenglund]

It's interesting that you see yourself that way. After all, your primary project of the moment is your blog about "Leftist LUNCs" which is manifestly designed to smear and caricaturize your political opponents--your patronizing compliments of their good intentions notwithstanding.

That is the false perception you keep repeating. I will leave you to it.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_wenglund]

yeah, you might want to check again.

I stand somewhat corrected.

by the way, it's interesting how whenever a point you've made turns out to be bogus, it turns out that wasn't really your point after all.

That would be interesting were it true.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_Chap]

Also, what is it, exactly, about having two opposite-sex parents that you think is inherently better for children? Just having both sets of organs in the house? Or is it something to do with filling the traditional, proclamation-approved gender roles of nurturer and provider?

I explain this in my blog post on Same-Sex Marriage--Blurs Critical Ma;e/Female Distinction.
...

Do you believe that a mother has something unique to give to a child that no father can give and that a father has something unique to give a child that no mother can give?

No I don't, not in the sense that the general role of 'mother' enables any person in that role to confer significant benefits that a person in the role of 'father' cannot confer. That is not my experience as a parent.

If however you say that each parent, being a unique individual with unique perceptions, abilities and experiences, may be able to confer (some) benefits that the other parent may not confer so well - then I'd think that was quite likely.

Of course - and this is another essential insight you get from actually being a parent (sorry to have to stress that to Wade) - children don't just sit there waiting for people to 'confer benefits' on them. Even before they can talk they are already taking an active role in shaping their relations with their parents, and so long as the parents are not callous brutes it is often the parents who will end up having benefits 'conferred on' them, as well as finding that the child may want other 'benefits conferred' than they think the child needs, and is disinclined to accept what the parents want to give it. And each child in the family will be different ...

[_wenglund]

yes, you did.

you wrote, "compassion towards homosexuals, particularly with the legalization of same-sex marriage, has resulted in an increase [...] in the rate of homosexual suicides."

you're a liar and a bigot and Christ, if he exists, will say he never knew you.

The word "result" does not equal "cause." And, including "suicide" within a general list of social ills, does not a specific connection make.

But, you are welcome to call me a liar in spite of all the evidence I presented to the contrary.

You are also free to unwarrantably call me a bigot.

People often resort to name-calling when that is the best they can muster.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_wenglund]

Wade clearly has several personalities disorders (my guesses are likely borderline personality disorder and narcissistic personality disorder). Clearly, he gets a "fix" through generating negative attention. For individuals with such personality disorders, "negative attention" is better than "no attention," at all. Being forever single, when he posts threads and comments such as this one on message boards, he's at least getting some sense of validation. Over the years, both due to my associations with him on message boards and in real life, I ultimately find him a person to be pitied, more than enraging. He rails against intimate relationships that he himself is unlikely to ever have (either with a woman or a man)--a loss as much a product of his mental illnesses as his religious fanaticism--seemingly resentful of those that have found peace and happiness by embracing someone of the same gender. He and individuals who struggle with such disorders are their own worst enemies, and, frankly, have done much to advance the cause of equal civil rights for gays and lesbians.

In my experience, however, Wade's approach and views do NOT represent the vast majority of Latter-day Saints, and I believe most would be mortified at his caustic representation of their Faith.

As I've learned with my ex-wife, the best response (in real life) towards such behaviors is to simply ignore them--though, admittedly, his words provide entertaining message board "fodder" (aptly pointed out as perhaps better described as bovine excrement)--and I suppose it's hard to not stare at the train wreck whenever we drive by one.

Daniel2

I appreciate you stopping by to offer your tangential psychoanalysis. It is one of the best ways to ignore someone. Have a great day.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_Molok]

The word "result" does not equal "cause." And, including "suicide" within a general list of social ills, does not a specific connection make.

"has resulted" and "causal" are the same thing.

[_Runtu]

"has resulted" and "causal" are the same thing.

Yes. It means (and I quote) to "occur or follow as the consequence of something."

Thus, Wade's statement is equivalent to "compassion towards homosexuals, particularly with the legalization of same-sex marriage, has caused to occur or follow as a consequence an increase [...] in the rate of homosexual suicides." Ergo, compassion towards homosexuals has resulted in increased suicides.

I know Wade has some learning disabilities, but this just strains credulity.