Bible verse by verse

[_Gunnar]

Much of it didn't really make any sense, health-wise. For example: Jews were forbidden, If I recall correctly, to eat meat cooked in a vessel that had ever contained milk, or drink milk from a vessel that had ever contained meat--no matter how thoroughly these vessels were cleaned after each use.
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This and other similarly silly and arbitrary rules had no logical connection to health. The most probable reason for these numerous, arbitrary and nitpicky dietary rules was to discourage "the faithful" from associating with "infidels" who did not share their religious beliefs, and might lead them astray, by making it virtually impossible for an observing Jew to be a dinner guest in the home of a nonbeliever without violating those dietary restrictions.

One of my sister in laws - when she was out of job fitting to her qualification - was a housekeeper of an orthodox jewish family. She cooked, cleaned, prepared the children to go to school and such - and was checked for a week if she follows the law, if she uses the vessels properly during cooking.
After passing the test she could have eaten together with the family.
(by the way a few years later she did the same for a Vietnamese family, and cooked dog's meat - but this is another story...)

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(This might have been merely an extreme interpretation of not cooking a goat in it's mother's milk, which itself has no obvious health related reason.)
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Yes.
It is about a law to not marry (=boink ) a mother and her daughter - something brother Joe violated.

Thank you very much, ludwigm!
I very much appreciate that tidbit of information. You are high on the list of contributors to this forum that I most admire and respect!

[_subgenius]

...it just illuminates the notion that you do not have enough information to either disprove one, both, or all...at which case your disposition to not believe in any is the issue.

No--it's not a matter of what can bedisproved, but of what can be proved.

Last i checked, it is you making the allegations...
semper necessitas probandi incumbit ei qui agit

When the assertion to prove is a negative claim, the burden takes the form of a negative proof, proof of impossibility, or mere evidence of absence. If this negative assertion is in response to a claim made by another party in a debate, asserting the falsehood of the positive claim shifts the burden of proof from the party making the first claim to the one asserting its falsehood, as the agnostic position that "I don't believe that X is true" is different to the explicit denial "I believe that X is false"

[_subgenius]

...it just illuminates the notion that you do not have enough information to either disprove one, both, or all...at which case your disposition to not believe in any is the issue.

No--it's not a matter of what can bedisproved, but of what can be proved.

Last i checked, it is you making the allegations...
semper necessitas probandi incumbit ei qui agit

When the assertion to prove is a negative claim, the burden takes the form of a negative proof, proof of impossibility, or mere evidence of absence. If this negative assertion is in response to a claim made by another party in a debate, asserting the falsehood of the positive claim shifts the burden of proof from the party making the first claim to the one asserting its falsehood, as the agnostic position that "I don't believe that X is true" is different to the explicit denial "I believe that X is false"

you lose Fabio

[_Bazooka]

One cannot disprove that which cannot be proven.

[_subgenius]

One cannot disprove that which cannot be proven.

[Guest]

No--it's not a matter of what can bedisproved, but of what can be proved.

Last i checked, it is you making the allegations...
semper necessitas probandi incumbit ei qui agit

When the assertion to prove is a negative claim, the burden takes the form of a negative proof, proof of impossibility, or mere evidence of absence. If this negative assertion is in response to a claim made by another party in a debate, asserting the falsehood of the positive claim shifts the burden of proof from the party making the first claim to the one asserting its falsehood, as the agnostic position that "I don't believe that X is true" is different to the explicit denial "I believe that X is false"

So, when I say I'm more interested in what can be proved than in what can be disproved, you're response is to say that's not true, that I'm actually interested in something completely different?

In other words, if I were to tell you I'm interested in discovering the specific gravity of a silver nitrate solution concocted with hard water, your response would be to say that's not true, that I'm actually interested in applying hi-viz orange paint to Ching Dynasty bronze castings?

Fascinating...

[_The Erotic Apologist]

When the assertion to prove is a negative claim, the burden takes the form of a negative proof, proof of impossibility, or mere evidence of absence. If this negative assertion is in response to a claim made by another party in a debate, asserting the falsehood of the positive claim shifts the burden of proof from the party making the first claim to the one asserting its falsehood, as the agnostic position that "I don't believe that X is true" is different to the explicit denial "I believe that X is false"

No, that in no way resembles my position, which I explained in detail on the previous page of this thread.

The science of virtual medicine is still in its infancy, but if I didn't know better I'd say you're suffering from an advanced case of cranio-rectal invagination.

[_LittleNipper]

Deuteronomy 16:1-22 Israel is to remember to celebrate the Passover during the month of April, for that was when Jehovah brought them out of Egypt by night. This Passover sacrifice shall be either a lamb or an ox, sacrificed to the Lord your God at his sanctuary --- eaten with unleavened bread 7 days. Unleavened bread is a reminder of the bread eaten as they escaped from Egypt, in such a hurry that there was no time for the bread to rise. For seven days no trace of yeast shall be displayed in an Israelite's home, and none of the Passover lamb shall be left until the next morning.

The Passover is not to be eaten at home, but at the place the Lord shall choose as his sanctuary. Sacrifice it there on the anniversary evening just as the sun goes down. Roast the lamb and eat it, then start back to home the next morning. For the following six days they shall eat no bread made with yeast. On the seventh day there shall be a quiet gathering of the people of each city before the Lord. Don’t do any work that day.

Seven weeks after the harvest begins, there shall be another festival before God called the Festival of Weeks. At that time they are to bring to him a freewill offering proportionate in size to his blessing upon them as judged by the amount of the harvest. It is a time to rejoice before the Lord with family and household. Don’t forget to include the local Levites, foreigners, widows, and orphans. Invite them to come to the celebration at the sanctuary. Remember! they were slaves in Egypt.

Another celebration, the Festival of Shelters, must be observed for seven days at the end of the harvest season, after the grain is threshed and the grapes have been pressed. This will be a happy time of rejoicing together with family and servants. Again, don’t forget to include the Levites, foreigners, orphans, and widows in town. This feast will be held at the sanctuary, which will be located at the place the Lord will designate. It is a time of thanksgiving to the Lord for his blessings.

Every man in Israel shall appear before the Lord God three times a year at the sanctuary for these festivals bring a gift to the Lord:

The Festival of Unleavened Bread,

The Festival of Weeks,

The Festival of Shelters.

Appoint judges and administrative officials for all the cities the Lord is providing. They will administer justice in every part of the land. Never twist justice to benefit a rich man, and never accept bribes. For bribes blind the eyes of the wisest and corrupt their decisions. Justice must prevail or Israel will not be successful. Never, under any circumstances, erect shameful images beside the altar of the Lord God. And never set up stone pillars to worship them. God hates them!


Young's Literal Translation (YLT)


1 `Observe the month of Abib -- and thou hast made a passover to Jehovah thy God, for in the month of Abib hath Jehovah thy God brought thee out of Egypt by night;

2 and thou hast sacrificed a passover to Jehovah thy God, of the flock, and of the herd, in the place which Jehovah doth choose to cause His name to tabernacle there.

3 `Thou dost not eat with it any fermented thing, seven days thou dost eat with it unleavened things, bread of affliction; for in haste thou hast come out of the land of Egypt; so that thou dost remember the day of thy coming out of the land of Egypt all days of thy life;

4 and there is not seen with thee leaven in all thy border seven days, and there doth not remain of the flesh which thou dost sacrifice at evening on the first day till morning.

5 `Thou art not able to sacrifice the passover within any of thy gates which Jehovah thy God is giving to thee,

6 except at the place which Jehovah thy God doth choose to cause His name to tabernacle -- there thou dost sacrifice the passover in the evening, at the going in of the sun, the season of thy coming out of Egypt;

7 and thou hast cooked and eaten in the place on which Jehovah thy God doth fix, and hast turned in the morning, and gone to thy tents;

8 six days thou dost eat unleavened things, and on the seventh day [is] a restraint to Jehovah thy God; thou dost do no work.

9 `Seven weeks thou dost number to thee; from the beginning of the sickle among the standing corn thou dost begin to number seven weeks,

10 and thou hast made the feast of weeks to Jehovah thy God, a tribute of a free-will offering of thy hand, which thou dost give, as Jehovah thy God doth bless thee.

11 And thou hast rejoiced before Jehovah thy God, thou, and thy son, and thy daughter, and thy man-servant, and thy handmaid, and the Levite who [is] within thy gates, and the sojourner, and the fatherless, and the widow, who [are] in thy midst, in the place which Jehovah thy God doth choose to cause His name to tabernacle there,

12 and thou hast remembered that a servant thou hast been in Egypt, and hast observed and done these statutes.

13 `The feast of booths thou dost make for thee seven days, in thine in-gathering of thy threshing-floor, and of thy wine-vat;

14 and thou hast rejoiced in thy feast, thou, and thy son, and thy daughter, and thy man-servant, and thy handmaid, and the Levite, and the sojourner, and the fatherless, and the widow, who [are] within thy gates.

15 Seven days thou dost feast before Jehovah thy God, in the place which Jehovah doth choose, for Jehovah thy God doth bless thee in all thine increase, and in every work of thy hands, and thou hast been only rejoicing.

16 `Three times in a year doth every one of thy males appear before Jehovah thy God in the place which He doth choose -- in the feast of unleavened things, and in the feast of weeks, and in the feast of booths; and they do not appear before Jehovah empty;

17 each according to the gift of his hand, according to the blessing of Jehovah thy God, which He hath given to thee.

18 `Judges and authorities thou dost make to thee within all thy gates which Jehovah thy God is giving to thee, for thy tribes; and they have judged the people -- a righteous judgment.

19 Thou dost not turn aside judgment; thou dost not discern faces, nor take a bribe, for the bribe blindeth the eyes of the wise, and perverteth the words of the righteous.

20 Righteousness -- righteousness thou dost pursue, so that thou livest, and hast possessed the land which Jehovah thy God is giving to thee.

21 `Thou dost not plant for thee a shrine of any trees near the altar of Jehovah thy God, which thou makest for thyself,

22 and thou dost not raise up to thee any standing image which Jehovah thy God is hating.

[_The Erotic Apologist]

From DIANETICS: THE MODERN SCIENCE OF MENTAL HEALTH:

One of the prime sources of “bad memory” is Mother. Often enough Mother has been sufficiently panic-stricken at the thought of Junior’s recalling just what she did to Junior that a Mankind-wide aberration seems to have sprung up. The standard attempted abortion case nearly always has an infanthood and childhood full of Mama assuring him that he cannot remember anything when he was a baby. She doesn’t want him to recall how handy she was, if unsuccessful, in her efforts with various instruments. Possibly prenatal memory itself would be just ordinary memory and in full recall to the whole race if this guilty conscience in Mother had not been rolling along lo! these millennia. In the normal course of work the auditor will have his hands full of Mama screaming objections about her grown son’s or daughter’s entering into therapy because of what they might find out: Mama has been known, by auditors, to go into a complete nervous collapse at the thought of her child’s recalling prenatal incidents. Not all of this, by the way, is based on attempted abortion. Mama often has had a couple of more men than Papa that Papa never knew about; and Mama would very often rather condemn her child to illness or insanity or merely unhappiness than let a child pursue the course of the pre-clear even though Mother avowedly has no recollection whatever of anything bad ever happening to the child. Under therapy herself, she usually volunteers the truth.

Here is the source of why good memory is discouraged in a society and infant and prenatal memory overlooked, to say nothing of the ability to return and relive. The index system of the standard bank is a wonderful thing to behold. Everything is there, filed by subject, filed by time and filed by conclusions. All perceptions are present. With the time file system we have what is called in dianetics a time track. Going back along this track with part of “I” is returning. It is definitely present for both conscious and “unconscious” data. The time track is of vast and interesting concern to the auditor. The mind is a well-built computer and it has various services. Auditors, backing off from Latin and complexity, call the source of one of these services, the file clerk. This is not a very dignified name and it is certainly anthropomorphic. There is no small man or woman in there with a green eye-shade. But the action which takes place is a close approximation to what would happen if such an entity did dwell within the mind.

The file clerk is the bank monitor. “He” monitors for both the reactive engram bank and the standard banks. When he is asked for a datum by the auditor or “I,” he will hand out a datum to the auditor via “I.” He is a trifle moronic when he handles the reactive engram bank, a contagion from the reactive mind, and he will at times hand out puns and crazy dreams when he should be delivering serious data. The file clerk, if the auditor asks the pre-clear for the last time he saw a movie, will hand out the movie, the date it was seen, the age and physical being of the person, all perceptics, the plot of the movie, the weather -- in short, he hands out everything that was present and connected with the movie.

In ordinary living the file clerk feeds memory to “I” at a rapid rate. A good memory gets its data in split seconds. If the file clerk has to shove the memory around various reactive occlusions, it may take minutes or days for the data to arrive. 128 If we had a big computing machine of the most modern design, it would have a “memory bank” of punched cards or some such thing and it would have to have a selector and feeder device to thrust out the data the machine wants. The brain has one of these -- it could not operate without it. This is the bank monitor -- the file clerk. Keep in mind these two parts of the mind: the time track and the file clerk and keep in memory this mechanism of returning. These are the three things we use, with the reactive and standard banks, in the dianetic reverie.

The file clerk is a very obliging fellow. If he has been having trouble getting to the “I” around the reactive occlusions and circuits in general, he is particularly obliging. He cooperates with the auditor. The monitor system could be considered on the basis of attention units where a man could be supposed to have a thousand. Thus a thousand possible attention units would be available to a clear’s “I.” In the aberree, probably fifty are available to “I,” five or six hundred absorbed in the reactive engrams, and the remainder variously used besides composing this mechanism we call the bank monitor, the file clerk.

It seems as if the file clerk in an aberree would rather work with the auditor than with the aberree. That may appear an astonishing fact, but it is a scientific fact. The file clerk works best, then, when he is selecting data out of a pre-clear’s banks to present to the auditor. This is an aspect of the law affinity. “I’s” file clerk and the auditor are a team: and they work very often in close harmony without enough consent from the pre-clear’s analyzer to notice. The return is most easily effected, in the aberree, by the auditor’s addressing the file clerk, not the patient. This can actually be done with the patient wide awake. The auditor asks him for information, tells him to go back to it. “I” is suddenly in possession of the whole file. Something inside the mind, then, works in close harmony with the auditor and works better for the auditor than it does for the person in whose mind it is. That is the file clerk. The object of the auditor is to take what the file clerk hands forth and to keep the file clerk from getting swamped by reactive data. Once the data has been given out by the file clerk, it is the business of the auditor to see that the pre-clear goes over it enough times to take the charge out of it. The mechanism of doing this is extremely simple. In order to help matters and keep the pre-clear from being distracted, the auditor goes through a routine with every session which disposes the patient to let the file clerk work.

The patient sits in a comfortable chair, with arms, or lies on a couch in a quite room where perceptic distractions are minimal. The auditor tells him to look at the ceiling. The auditor says: “When I count from one to seven your eyes will close.” The auditor then counts from one to seven and keeps counting quietly and pleasantly until the patient closes his eyes. A tremble of the lashes will be noticed in optimum reverie.

This is the entire routine. Consider it more a signal that proceedings are to begin and a means of concentrating the patient on his own concerns and the auditor than anything else. This is not hypnotism. It is vastly different. In the first place the patient knows everything which is going on around him. He is not “asleep,” and can bring himself out of it any time he likes. He is free to move about, but, because it distracts the patient, the auditor does not usually permit him to smoke.

[Guest]

Deuteronomy 17:1-20 Israel is never to sacrifice sick or defective cattle, sheep, or goats to the Lord God, for he detests such gifts. When Israel begins living in the towns God is providing, a man or woman might do evil in the sight of God and violate the covenant. Example: they might serve other gods or worship the sun, the moon, or any of the stars—the forces of heaven—which is strictly forbidden. When they hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman who has committed such an evil act must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. HOWEVER, never put a person to death on the testimony of only one witness. There must always be two or three witnesses. The witnesses must throw the first stones, and then all the people may join in. In this way the evil is purged. Suppose a case arises in a local court that is too hard to decide—for instance, whether someone is guilty of murder or only of manslaughter, or a difficult lawsuit, or a case involving different kinds of assault. Take such legal cases to the place the Lord God chooses and present them to the Levitical priests or the judge on duty at that time. They will hear the case and declare the verdict. Israel must carry out the verdict they announce and the sentence they prescribe at the place the Lord chooses. Israel must do exactly what they say. After they have interpreted the law and declared their verdict, the sentence they impose must be fully executed; do not modify it in any way. Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the Lord God must die. In this way you will purge evil from Israel. Then everyone else will hear about it and be afraid to act so arrogantly.
Israel is about to enter the land God is providing. When they take it over and settle there, they may think, ‘We should select a king to rule over us like the other nations around us.’ If this happens, be sure to select as king the man the Lord chooses. They must appoint a fellow Israelite; he may not be a foreigner. The king must not build up a large stable of horses for himself or send his people to Egypt to buy horses, for the Lord has told Israel never return to Egypt.’ The king must not take many wives for himself, because they will turn his heart away from the Lord. And he must not accumulate large amounts of wealth in silver and gold for himself. When he sits on the throne as king, he must copy for himself this body of instruction on a scroll in the presence of the Levitical priests. He must always keep that copy with him and read it daily as long as he lives. That way he will learn to fear the Lord his God by obeying all the terms of these instructions and decrees. This regular reading will prevent him from becoming proud and acting as if he is ABOVE his fellow citizens. It will also prevent him from turning away from these commands in the smallest way. And it will ensure that he and his descendants will reign for many generations in Israel.

I wonder if the US government would be different if they abided by these regulations? Presently, our government thinks that it are entitled to wealth and splendor

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 `Thou dost not sacrifice to Jehovah thy God ox or sheep in which there is a blemish -- any evil thing; for it [is] the abomination of Jehovah thy God.

2 `When there is found in thy midst, in one of thy cities which Jehovah thy God is giving to thee, a man or a woman who doth the evil thing in the eyes of Jehovah thy God by transgressing His covenant,

3 and he doth go and serve other gods, and doth bow himself to them, and to the sun, or to the moon, or to any of the host of the heavens, which I have not commanded --

4 and it hath been declared to thee, and thou hast heard, and hast searched diligently, and lo, truth; the thing is established; this abomination hath been done in Israel --

5 `Then thou hast brought out that man, or that woman, who hath done this evil thing, unto thy gates -- the man or the woman -- and thou hast stoned them with stones, and they have died.

6 By the mouth of two witnesses or of three witnesses is he who is dead put to death; he is not put to death by the mouth of one witness;

7 the hand of the witnesses is on him, in the first place, to put him to death, and the hand of all the people last; and thou hast put away the evil thing out of thy midst.

8 `When anything is too hard for thee for judgment, between blood and blood, between plea and plea, and between stroke and stroke -- matters of strife within thy gates -- then thou hast risen, and gone up unto the place on which Jehovah thy God doth fix,

9 and hast come in unto the priests, the Levites, and unto the judge who is in those days, and hast inquired, and they have declared to thee the word of judgment,

10 and thou hast done according to the tenor of the word which they declare to thee ([they] of that place which Jehovah doth choose; and thou hast observed to do according to all that they direct thee.

11 `According to the tenor of the law which they direct thee, and according to the judgment which they say to thee thou dost do; thou dost not turn aside from the word which they declare to thee, right or left.

12 And the man who acteth with presumption, so as not to hearken unto the priest (who is standing to serve there Jehovah thy God), or unto the judge, even that man hath died, and thou hast put away the evil thing from Israel,

13 and all the people do hear and fear, and do not presume any more.

14 `When thou comest in unto the land which Jehovah thy God is giving to thee, and hast possessed it, and dwelt in it, and thou hast said, Let me set over me a king like all the nations which [are] round about me, --

15 thou dost certainly set over thee a king on whom Jehovah doth fix; from the midst of thy brethren thou dost set over thee a king; thou art not able to set over thee a stranger, who is not thy brother.

16 `Only, he doth not multiply to himself horses, nor cause the people to turn back to Egypt, so as to multiply horses, seeing Jehovah hath said to you, Ye do not add to turn back in this way any more.

17 And he doth not multiply to himself wives, and his heart doth not turn aside, and silver and gold he doth not multiply to himself -- exceedingly.

18 `And it hath been, when he sitteth on the throne of his kingdom, that he hath written for himself the copy of this law, on a book, from [that] before the priests the Levites,

19 and it hath been with him, and he hath read in it all days of his life, so that he doth learn to fear Jehovah his God, to keep all the words of this law, and these statutes, to do them;

20 so that his heart is not high above his brethren, and so as not to turn aside from the command, right or left, so that he prolongeth days over his kingdom, he and his sons, in the midst of Israel.