$650M in Welfare payments to Illegal aliens in California

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$650M in Welfare payments to Illegal aliens in California

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The left says that illegal immigrants are a boon to the US economy and we need to make them legal. It looks like they'll be getting extensive welfare benefits with or without their citizenship. Just another big F-you to the American taxpayer from the left.

Los Angeles County is on track to pay out roughly $650 million in welfare benefits to illegal alien parents in 2013, county officials said Monday.

The figures, which come via the Department of Public Social Services, show that approximately $376 million in combined CalWORKs and food stamps benefits were doled out through July to illegal alien parents for their native-born children, CBS Los Angeles reports.

Supervisor Michael D. Antonovich made the announcement.

The California county pays out roughly $54 million in welfare payments each month, according to official data. Of that amount, approximately $20 million comes from CalWORKs and roughly $34 million comes from food stamp issuances, the report adds.

Of the 60,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County, approximately 100,000 children receive aid, said Antonovich.

He adds that estimates for 2013, which are up $1 million from 2012’s $53 million per month benefit payments, show the importance of the national debate on immigration.

When you add the $550 million for public safety and nearly $500 million for healthcare, the total cost for illegal immigrants to county taxpayers exceeds $1.6 billion dollars a year,” said Antonovich.

“These costs do not even include the hundreds of millions of dollars spent annually for education.”


http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/09 ... n-parents/
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Senator Marco Rubio is absolutely right about stating that we already have De-facto amnesty here in this Country. It will be better for this Country if the House of Representatives just passes the comprehensive immigration reform bill, and then send it to President Obama for him to sign it.
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Brackite wrote:Senator Marco Rubio is absolutely right about stating that we already have De-facto amnesty here in this Country. It will be better for this Country if the House of Representatives just passes the comprehensive immigration reform bill, and then send it to President Obama for him to sign it.


Who says that won't just make the current illegal welfare recipients legal and bring another larger crop of illegals to follow them to collect the same deal? Employers prefer illegal labor because they don't have the rights that a citizen has. Citizens prefer welfare to a minimum wage job that doesn't pay much better. We're often promised border security in exchange for amnesty just as we're often promised spending cuts in exchange for tax hikes. We've gotten the amnesty on several occasions just as the many times we've gotten the tax hikes, but the border security and the spending cuts never seem to happen.

Anytime a country has a law that says, "If you can illegally cross into the USA to give birth to your child, your child will be paid for by the United States taxpayer through welfare checks made to you the illegal immigrant parent," you're going to get a result like this. And last I heard nobody has even considered changing that law.
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ajax18 wrote:650M in welfare payments to illegal aliens in California


Holy crap, let me get out my calculator. Let's see, the population of California is 38 million so er.. 17.1$ per person per year, and I have 3 people in my family, so I'm forking out 51.3$ a year to cover the cost of illegals. It's almost too good to be true.

And it is. The Right Wing can't even read when it's to their own advantage. The article actually says:

the total cost for illegal immigrants to county taxpayers exceeds $1.6 billion dollars a year


There are 9.9 million residents in LA county. So 1,600 divided by 9.9 is 163 and by three that's 489$ per year. Wow, that would put Droopy on the street no doubt, no wonder he gets so bent out of shape, but for me it's a mosquito bite and I'm nowhere near Yahoo Bot when it comes to income I'm sure. It's not nothing, it deserves consideration, but it's not earthshaking press. Some of that can be subtracted off in benefits for sub minimum wage work. At the end of the day, if 489$ a year to cover the humane treatment of human beings is my biggest problem in life, I'm living a pretty darn good life.

Didn't you say you're in the medical field Ajax? Are you really stressed by 163 bucks a year?
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At the end of the day, if 489$ a year to cover the humane treatment of human beings is my biggest problem in life, I'm living a pretty darn good life.


If you do it for them, shouldn't you have to do it for all the people of Latin America who live in subhuman conditions? Why just pay the ones who are bold enough to break the law? It starts out small and then you have a 16 trillion dollar debt with the government taking 61 cents of every dollar you ever earn.

It may not be much, but you're sure not paying for the humane treatment of people if you only pay for people who break the law. What about the law biding people in Latin America who we do nothing for? What's humane about that? Is it humane because since they didn't break the law we don't have to see them on our streets so therefore we still have the moral high ground? It should be fair and legal. Funneling tax dollars to illegals and calling it humane treatment isn't fair to anyone.

We can't afford to pay for every third world person nor every beggar we meet on the street. A law should be made and it shouldn't be changed for those who decide to break it.
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Ajax wrote:If you do it for them, shouldn't you have to do it for all the people of Latin America who live in subhuman conditions? Why just pay the ones who are bold enough to break the law?


Are your really so deceived that you think people who have lived their lives in another country, typically with low education levels and a great deal of poverty, are morally culpable for breaking American laws that are sort of more like stipulations or guidelines in this case?

With your big education and American salary, when you travel to Mexico or another country, do you feel a tremendous responsibility to uphold the unique laws of the country that you're visiting? Would you give a rat's ass if you broke a law of Mexico? I wouldn't.

It's very difficult to determine what we "should" do proactively. Sure, I think we should in general be more concerned about suffering outside of our proximity. But what we should do reactively definitely carries more weight. Shouldn't you be concerned more than you are about an armed robbery of a 7-11 twelve states away? Maybe. But if you are actually in a 7-11 being robbed, it's a little different, eh?

It starts out small and then you have a 16 trillion dollar debt with the government taking 61 cents of every dollar you ever earn.


Then you should invest better because capital gains on large returns is far less than 61%. If you're paying 61%, then you need to get a better tax guy.

It may not be much, but you're sure not paying for the humane treatment of people if you only pay for people who break the law. What about the law biding people in Latin America who we do nothing for? What's humane about that? Is it humane because since they didn't break the law we don't have to see them on our streets so therefore we still have the moral high ground?


There are billions of people suffering in the world. Clearly, if I have to personally alleviate the suffering equally of every person suffering before I alleviate the suffering of any person suffering than I can do nothing. No one in Latin America gives a rat's ass about American immigration laws and lives morally forthright above any other Latin American. It's all a matter of need and opportunity and ambition if one tries to jump the border but another does not.

It should be fair and legal. Funneling tax dollars to illegals and calling it humane treatment isn't fair to anyone.


Stating it doesn't make it so.

We can't afford to pay for every third world person nor every beggar we meet on the street. A law should be made and it shouldn't be changed for those who decide to break it.


Laws are changed all the time for those who decide to break them because either economic forces dictate it so or because the law was immoral or shouldn't really have been the law to begin with. Los Angeles has given up on its automated red-light ticketing because people who decided to run red lights decided to break the law and defend themselves on the matter. You are only presenting a part of the story. If a law is sacred just because it happens to be a law then all Mormons in Missouri should have been killed long ago. California crosses the line in my opinion in its outright evil enforcement of laws on the front end, the cops are fanatics here. But on the backend it's a different story. If you believe in the law, which includes the whole legal process, then you can't just consider driving 75 in a 55 zone to be "illegal", nor the ticket you got for doing so, but the court decision that either upholds or rejects the ticket. Many laws are in a state of limbo because they seem trivial to enforce on the front end but on the back end are more complicated. You can appeal to "the law" all you want, but no one with half a brain will listen. And when you're talking about people trying to save their families it's even more difficult to take seriously. You know, many folks broke the law to leave Nazi Germany, did you ever watch, "The Sound of Music"?



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ajax18 wrote: Funneling tax dollars to illegals and calling it humane treatment isn't fair to anyone.


I thought you were a conservative.

The motto of conservatism is that life isn't fair.

You should be proud of illegals for exploiting the system as you are proud of the rich for exploiting the least of us for our "dispensable" labor.

Or are you a unique specimen in favor of a living wage?
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Gadianton wrote:If a law is sacred just because it happens to be a law then all Mormons in Missouri should have been killed long ago.


This should be a sig.

On a similar note, I've often thought that the government must believe in some kind of bureaucratic witchcraft that makes things true, moral and consensual because they put it down on paper. Then they pat themselves on the back for being advanced, democratic, and civilized...
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Or are you a unique specimen in favor of a living wage?


Then you should invest better because capital gains on large returns is far less than 61%. If you're paying 61%, then you need to get a better tax guy.


I couldn't even afford to live in California let alone have any investments. I'm a married man who lives month to month by the sweat of my brow. I make enough to live on, but it wouldn't take more than a few sick days to get me kicked out of my house and unable to pay the mortgage. It's hard to accumulate much when you have this kind of taxation burden.

If we're not going to enforce the border, why not just open it up completely. Why reward people who break the law and punish those that observe it?
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Aren't you actually talking about welfare benefits for US citizens, paid to them through their parents?

ajax18 wrote:... last I heard nobody has even considered changing that law.

Well, since that's not a law, but part of the US Constitution, it would take another constitutional amendment to change it -- a very large hurdle.

Besides, how would you define a citizen, if not someone who is born here?
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