LGT? HAH

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LGT? HAH

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Joseph writing from Zion's camp.

http://josephsmithpapers.org/paperSumma ... ed&sm=none

The whole of our journey, in the midst of so large a company of social honest men and sincere men, wandering over the plains of the Nephites, recounting [p. 57]


Continuing on the next page:

occasionaly the history of the Book of Mormon, roving over the mounds of that once beloved people of the Lord, picking up their skulls & their bones, as a proof of its divine authenticity, and gazing upon a country the fertility, the splendour and the goodness so indescribable, all serves to pass away time unnoticed, and in short were it not at every now and then our thoughts linger with inexpressible anxiety for our wives and our children our kindred according to the flesh who are entwined around our hearts


Joseph believed the Nephites were the mound builders....... but he must have believed wrong.

Funny that.
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If someone were keeping score, they would find that pretty much everything Joseph Smith believed, and / or preached, and / or wrote, was wrong.
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Yea, Dr W, JSJr pretty much misfired on everything.

But so what? "The Church is true."
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sock puppet wrote:Yea, Dr W, JSJr pretty much misfired on everything.

But so what? "The Church is true."

I know. I just keep forgetting.
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DrW wrote:I know. I just keep forgetting.


Uh... DrW... can you please try to tone down the arrogance? Just a bit? mmkay?
eschew obfuscation

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Good stuff in the OP. I hadn't seen that before.

The LGT has some real problems. Too bad it has so much traction among the more educated members.
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SteelHead wrote:Joseph writing from Zion's camp.

http://josephsmithpapers.org/paperSumma ... ed&sm=none

The whole of our journey, in the midst of so large a company of social honest men and sincere men, wandering over the plains of the Nephites, recounting [p. 57]


Continuing on the next page:

occasionaly the history of the Book of Mormon, roving over the mounds of that once beloved people of the Lord, picking up their skulls & their bones, as a proof of its divine authenticity, and gazing upon a country the fertility, the splendour and the goodness so indescribable, all serves to pass away time unnoticed, and in short were it not at every now and then our thoughts linger with inexpressible anxiety for our wives and our children our kindred according to the flesh who are entwined around our hearts


Joseph believed the Nephites were the mound builders....... but he must have believed wrong.

Funny that.
I had seen this before. I believe this was in a letter to Emma, which was dated within a few days from when Zion's Camp found the bones of Zelph.
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SteelHead wrote:
Joseph believed the Nephites were the mound builders....... but he must have believed wrong.

Funny that.


What was it that he believed wrong?
Then saith He to Thomas... be not faithless, but believing. - John 20:27
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GR33N wrote:
SteelHead wrote:
Joseph believed the Nephites were the mound builders....... but he must have believed wrong.

Funny that.


What was it that he believed wrong?


Modern-day self-appointed apologists who peddle the LGT say that Joseph Smith believed wrong. From his own words, it is clear that Smith considered North America, and indeed the Northeast corner of the US, to be the ole' Nephite stomping grounds.

The mopologists, who know just enough about the facts of the case, clearly understand that you cannot place the Nephite and Lamanite civilizations anywhere in North America and have it all work, so they throw Joseph Smith under the bus, assert that he didn't know what he was talking about, and insist that the entire Book of Mormon narrative happened on something like 4.3 acres of Guatemala.
eschew obfuscation

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DrW wrote:If someone were keeping score, they would find that pretty much everything Joseph Smith believed, and / or preached, and / or wrote, was wrong.


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