LittleNipper wrote:I'm simply pointing out that it is not at all unreasonable for a child of Israel, and an adopted prince of Egypt, to write a book from long respected historic data by the moving and intervention of the Holy Spirit.
The trouble, LitterNipper, is that it requires a faith in an intervention of the Holy Spirit to believe.
There is no historic evidence that it ever happened. There is only the Bible version to account for it. If you are willing to believe the Bible version of history then you can be satisfied with that and that is just fine.
Some of us require more than just a religious explanation to believe. Quoting the Bible to prove the Bible doesn't really work for us.
If you can provide some proofs that don't require some faith then I am onboard.
LittleNipper wrote:Is Leo Tolstoy's War & Peace unreasonable? It is over 1000 pages. Is Joseph Smith's Book of Mormon unreasonable? It contains over 530 pages.
Tolstoy wrote a great work of fiction. Smith wrote a not so great work of fiction.
I admire You!
To be this courteous - this is unbelievable...
Quasimodo wrote:We know who both of those people were.
That "we" is a small set. Most of the 14 millions (continuously growing) know only JS...
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco - To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
four seasons wrote:No I can not. But in the old testament he punishes people.
Don't you think it will be impossible to give an answer to your OP without at least one example?
God killed all the Egyptians' animals as punishment for not letting the Israelite go God let the dust in the air create boils on Egyptians as punishment for not letting the Israelite go sent grasshoppers sent hailstorms darkened sky angels of death all specific to the Egyptians...all specifically as punishment (reference Exodus 9)
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
subgenius wrote:God killed all the Egyptians' animals as punishment for not letting the Israelite go God let the dust in the air create boils on Egyptians as punishment for not letting the Israelite go sent grasshoppers sent hailstorms darkened sky angels of death all specific to the Egyptians...all specifically as punishment (reference Exodus 9)
No.
Some anonymous author who wrote Exodus claimed God did those things. You just happen to believe their story is real. We do not know this anonymous authors bias, agenda or even if he/she was an ancient equivalent of J.K. Rowling.
On the authorship of Exodus...
Jewish and Christian tradition viewed Moses as the author of Exodus and the entire Pentateuch, but by the end of the 19th century the increasing awareness of the discrepancies, inconsistencies, repetitions and other features of the Pentateuch had led scholars to abandon this idea.[8] According to current thinking, a first draft (the Yahwist) was probably written in the 6th century BCE during the Babylonian exile; this was supplemented and completed as a post-Exilic final edition (the Priestly source) at the very end of the 6th century or during the 5th century,[9] and further adjustments and minor revisions continued down to the end of the 4th century.[10]
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That said, with the Book of Mormon, we are not dealing with a civilization with no written record. What we are dealing with is a written record with no civilization. (Runtu, Feb 2015)
just me wrote:Can you name a punishment God has given a human in this life?
and Adam/Eve were expelled from Garden as punishment...
and Eve was punished with painful childbirth, etc..
Isaiah 13:11 "And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible."
2 Samuel 12:11 "Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun." (continues)
etc..
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
just me wrote:Can you name a punishment God has given a human in this life?
and Adam/Eve were expelled from Garden as punishment...
and Eve was punished with painful childbirth, etc..
Isaiah 13:11 "And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible."
2 Samuel 12:11 "Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun." (continues)
etc..
What punishments have you received at the hands of God? (Or did God just send you here as part of our punishment? )
That said, with the Book of Mormon, we are not dealing with a civilization with no written record. What we are dealing with is a written record with no civilization. (Runtu, Feb 2015)
subgenius wrote:God killed all the Egyptians' animals as punishment for not letting the Israelite go God let the dust in the air create boils on Egyptians as punishment for not letting the Israelite go sent grasshoppers sent hailstorms darkened sky angels of death all specific to the Egyptians...all specifically as punishment (reference Exodus 9)
No.
Some anonymous author who wrote Exodus claimed God did those things. You just happen to believe their story is real. We do not know this anonymous authors bias, agenda or even if he/she was an ancient equivalent of J.K. Rowling.
There is no reason to conclude that God did not do as was claimed in the Book of Exodus. You have no evidence that would raise doubt about the author's account of events. If you are claiming that the author is a liar or prone to exaggeration then present the evidence for your claim or sit down and continue with your dumbfounded exclamations about people having the audacity to "have a plan".
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
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