The World Table: Already a Failure?
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_Doctor Scratch
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The World Table: Already a Failure?
It's been less than two weeks since the launch of the FAIR- / Mopologetics-sponsored project known as "The World Table," and already, per what I've learned, it is showing signs of atrophy. Here are a few of the items that have been brought to my attention:
1) As many know, "TWT" utilizes a ratings system, whereby other posters rate each other in terms of honesty, fairness, and so on. Currently, among highly active posters, Wade Englund has the lowest score--and this includes low ratings from fellow LDS.
2) The moderating team appears to be largely an LDS "cabal," with a few "puppet" Christians to help sell the idea that this is actually an inter-religious affair.
3) Bryce Haymond, the co-founder of Mormon Interpreter, is seemingly a key player in TWT scene.
4) In spite of the fact that TWT was pitched as an opportunity for sallying forth an "army of apologists," none of the major, classic-FARMS/BYU-associated Mopologists have emerged as key participants. One wonders if they are afraid to submit themselves to TWT's "Way of Openness," or, instead, if they are afraid of getting low ratings.
5) There is apparently a great deal of anxiety amongst LDS participants over "old history" resurfacing on The World Table. These participants evidently fear the Ghosts of Mopologetics past, and one wonders if in-depth conversations on, say, "Metcalfe is Butthead" or the 2nd Watson Letter will be permitted.
Of course, it's still too early to tell whether or not these are fatal flaws in TWT's structure, but it does seem clear that the site's founders had/have ulterior motives, and that kind, honest, interreligious conversation was not their main goal in creating the forum.
1) As many know, "TWT" utilizes a ratings system, whereby other posters rate each other in terms of honesty, fairness, and so on. Currently, among highly active posters, Wade Englund has the lowest score--and this includes low ratings from fellow LDS.
2) The moderating team appears to be largely an LDS "cabal," with a few "puppet" Christians to help sell the idea that this is actually an inter-religious affair.
3) Bryce Haymond, the co-founder of Mormon Interpreter, is seemingly a key player in TWT scene.
4) In spite of the fact that TWT was pitched as an opportunity for sallying forth an "army of apologists," none of the major, classic-FARMS/BYU-associated Mopologists have emerged as key participants. One wonders if they are afraid to submit themselves to TWT's "Way of Openness," or, instead, if they are afraid of getting low ratings.
5) There is apparently a great deal of anxiety amongst LDS participants over "old history" resurfacing on The World Table. These participants evidently fear the Ghosts of Mopologetics past, and one wonders if in-depth conversations on, say, "Metcalfe is Butthead" or the 2nd Watson Letter will be permitted.
Of course, it's still too early to tell whether or not these are fatal flaws in TWT's structure, but it does seem clear that the site's founders had/have ulterior motives, and that kind, honest, interreligious conversation was not their main goal in creating the forum.
"[I]f, while hoping that everybody else will be honest and so forth, I can personally prosper through unethical and immoral acts without being detected and without risk, why should I not?." --Daniel Peterson, 6/4/14
Re: The World Table: Already a Failure?
The time I looked, it was very LDS. I can't see it turning into anything interesting.
Where there any Muslims when you looked?
Where there any Muslims when you looked?
Zadok:
I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis.
Maksutov:
That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis.
Maksutov:
That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
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_Sammy Jankins
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Re: The World Table: Already a Failure?
It's too early to call it a failure in my opinion. But I haven't seen any interesting conversations there yet. The way some of it is written it comes off as people are more worried about their ratings than expressing their views.
Also does the format look different when one is logged in?
Also does the format look different when one is logged in?
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_TrashcanMan79
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Re: The World Table: Already a Failure?
Anyone else having difficulties registering? I've tried a few times and never made it to completion.
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_SteelHead
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Re: The World Table: Already a Failure?
Wade is getting thumped on the ratings. Hard to imagine, I have always found him so reasonable.
It is better to be a warrior in a garden, than a gardener at war.
Some of us, on the other hand, actually prefer a religion that includes some type of correlation with reality.
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Some of us, on the other hand, actually prefer a religion that includes some type of correlation with reality.
~Bill Hamblin
Re: The World Table: Already a Failure?
Im registered... but haven't found a conversation I'm interested in commenting yet.
I think it's still a little early to call it a failure.
I am surprised by the lack of apologists. Where is DCP and midgley and Shriver etc?
I think it's still a little early to call it a failure.
I am surprised by the lack of apologists. Where is DCP and midgley and Shriver etc?
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_Everybody Wang Chung
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Re: The World Table: Already a Failure?
SteelHead wrote:Wade is getting thumped on the ratings. Hard to imagine, I have always found him so reasonable.
Yes, Wade is getting killed on the rating system. I imagine that most mopologists will also find that there positions are not going to be favorably rated. Maybe that's why they are not posting.
In any event, I think it's fair to say that, contrary to DCP, the World Table has not "fundamentally changed the way we interact on the internet". I think we can confidently say that The World Table is pretty much killed, buried, and nailed in a coffin, and then that coffine is thrown into Mount Doom, before dropping Mt Doom under the continental plates.
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Daniel C. Peterson, 2014
Daniel C. Peterson, 2014
Re: The World Table: Already a Failure?
I read through a few of the threads and stumbled on something that will keep me from registering:
Really? This muckety muck "had" to pop into the discussion to rate Mark based on his photo?
Not interested.
Mark, during this beta besting phase we are still ironing out kinks, and your profile helped us to find one. One of the things The World Table does is provide a forum of credibility in addition to civility for people engaging each other over divisive topics. It dawned on me over the weekend that one of the things that contributes or detracts from credibility is the profile photo people use. Your use of Alfred E. Neuman from MAD sends a message that detracts from what you want to accomplish with a high score at TWT. For that reason I need to rate you much lower. Please consider replacing it and putting a photo of yourself on your profile as a step toward full disclosure, transparency, and credibility. Thanks.
Really? This muckety muck "had" to pop into the discussion to rate Mark based on his photo?
Not interested.
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― Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism, 1951
Re: The World Table: Already a Failure?
I don't think it's a failure at all. There's not much of interest to me at the moment (except two comments on a "Who gets to be called Christian" thread), but you never know.
I've thought about posting some stuff from my blog, such as the piece about Book of Mormon evidence. That might stir things up. Who knows?
I've thought about posting some stuff from my blog, such as the piece about Book of Mormon evidence. That might stir things up. Who knows?
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_Everybody Wang Chung
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Re: The World Table: Already a Failure?
Runtu wrote:I don't think it's a failure at all. There's not much of interest to me at the moment (except two comments on a "Who gets to be called Christian" thread), but you never know.
I've thought about posting some stuff from my blog, such as the piece about Book of Mormon evidence. That might stir things up. Who knows?
Runtu,
That's a great idea!
"I'm on paid sabbatical from BYU in exchange for my promise to use this time to finish two books."
Daniel C. Peterson, 2014
Daniel C. Peterson, 2014