Is hell enough as punishment?

[_Themis]

And I see that you are far too young to know any better. Feel free to provide evidence to the contrary.

Maybe I am too young, but what is your excuse? What don't you get about lack of evidence? You are the one suggesting you have some that would show I am wrong about lack of evidence. It is your responsibility to provide it, but perhaps you already know you don't have any which has been the point.

[_The Erotic Apologist]

And I see that you are far too young to know any better. Feel free to provide evidence to the contrary.

Maybe I am too young, but what is your excuse? What don't you get about lack of evidence? You are the one suggesting you have some that would show I am wrong about lack of evidence. It is your responsibility to provide it, but perhaps you already know you don't have any which has been the point.

I've asked Nipper many times to provide conclusive proof that A) a "God" exists, and B) that it's the god of the Old Testament. Nipper simply ignores all requests of this nature.

[_The Erotic Apologist]

The people who wrote the New Testament were contemporaries of Jesus. And they suffered for their faith. All except one of the Apostles died for that faith. Lives were changed from pagan to righteousness. Old habits were seen as evil and no longer deemed acceptable. The modern world is the result of "Christianity" and not paganism, Islam, Buddhism, or Confucianism. Yet they have been greatly influenced by "Judeo/Christian " ethic/beliefs. Such brought us "public" education, hospitals, orphanages, and even an end to open slavery. Silly as it seems, but even "I Love Lucy," "Leave it to Beaver," "The Christmas Carol," and "It's a Wonderful Life," show that Christian influence to some degree. And now as society is becoming less Christian, that influence is slowly turning again towards PAGANISM/HEDONISM/SOCIALISM. So there is obvious proof of what one sows, that is what one reaps. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction...

The amount of falsehood in this paragraph is simply staggering.

Nipper, here's an example of the "results" of Christian influence on non-Christian societies: The Taiping Tyangwo Rebellion, 1850-1864, approx. 20 million dead.

Thank you, Jesus.

[_Themis]

I've asked Nipper many times to provide conclusive proof that A) a "God" exists, and B) that it's the god of the Old Testament. Nipper simply ignores all requests of this nature.

It's good to see someone who gets the point of my questions.

[_subgenius]

I've asked Nipper many times to provide conclusive proof that A) a "God" exists, and B) that it's the god of the Old Testament. Nipper simply ignores all requests of this nature.

It's good to see someone who gets the point of my questions.

yes, misery doth love company...it is good to know that you are not the only one who got it wrong.
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[_Themis]

Subby,

It's good to see you still being the Celestial Kingdoms fool.

[_The Erotic Apologist]

It's good to see someone who gets the point of my questions.

yes, misery doth love company...it is good to know that you are not the only one who got it wrong.
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No Subby, it's not a matter of desperation or even nihilism; it's a matter of proof.

For example, I'm open to the proposition that Gustave Whitehead built an airplane a year before the Wright brothers, but I'd also like to see some conclusive proof that this is so.

I'm also open to the proposition that the Confederate navy built and operated a fleet of submarines during the Civil War, but I'd also like to see some proof that this is so.

I'm also open to the proposition that Ching Dynasty soldiers used domestically-manufactured bolt-action rifles in their fight against the Taiping rebels, but I'd also like to see some conclusive proof that this is so.

I'm also open to the proposition that a former Israeli paratrooper named Uri Geller can bend metallic objects with his mind, but I'd also like to see some conclusive proof that this is so.

I'm also open to the proposition that an obscure street preacher in the backwater of the Roman empire was an omnipotent, supernatural being who also created the entire universe, but...

...I'd also like to see some conclusive proof that this is so.

That last proposition--the one about the obscure street preacher--is especially important, because if a "God" really does exist, and if this "God" turns out to be the tribal war god of the ancient Hebrews, then we're all screwed. Because Yahweh is a bit of a bastard.

[_subgenius]

No Subby, it's not a matter of desperation or even nihilism; it's a matter of proof.

how misleading of you..it is not simply a matter of
proof n. The evidence or argument that compels the mind to accept an assertion as true.
2. The validation of a proposition by application of specified rules, as of induction or deduction, to assumptions, axioms, and sequentially derived conclusions.
etc..

i believe you and Themis are more specific...more litigious than you care to admit...for you proof is limited only to that which is the result or effect of evidence; the establishment or denial of a fact by evidence.

furthermore limited by what you, or Themis, will accept as evidence....and most notably these "specifics" are only offered up for this topic...for God...for quite obviously you relax such requirements when it comes to other things you certainly hold as "true".

Nevertheless, Nipper and others recognize that offering any sort of argument, evidence, axioms, etc. upon your altar of predisposition will be gutted and burned in the name of trickery, or some other such dismissive ritual. It is futile to "show" you anything contrary to your ego driven truth.

Both of you are nothing if not consistent...consistently flawed on this matter...but consistent, which is comforting....and occasionally entertaining...but honestly, yours is a position of stagnation.....a mire of you will....or even better....a tar baby.

For example, I'm open to the proposition that Gustave Whitehead built an airplane a year before the Wright brothers, but I'd also like to see some conclusive proof that this is so.

I'm also open to the proposition that the Confederate navy built and operated a fleet of submarines during the Civil War, but I'd also like to see some proof that this is so.

I'm also open to the proposition that Ching Dynasty soldiers used domestically-manufactured bolt-action rifles in their fight against the Taiping rebels, but I'd also like to see some conclusive proof that this is so.

I'm also open to the proposition that a former Israeli paratrooper named Uri Geller can bend metallic objects with his mind, but I'd also like to see some conclusive proof that this is so.

I'm also open to the proposition that an obscure street preacher in the backwater of the Roman empire was an omnipotent, supernatural being who also created the entire universe, but...

...I'd also like to see some conclusive proof that this is so.

all absurd and irrelevant notions and as examples wholly inadequate...and sophomoric in tactic...stay on the subject. Another developmental flaw in your/Themis's "rebuttals"...the insistence that this being like that means that this is that....an awkwardness at best.
Interestingly enough, in all your "examples" listed above it is apparent that you are not so much "wanting to see" but rather you are "wanting to be shown" - for investigating any of these matters is not to your liking.....intellectually laying in the stream of knowledge like a catfish...only ingesting what truths happen to float into your mouth...waiting for the hook.

That last proposition--the one about the obscure street preacher--is especially important, because if a "God" really does exist, and if this "God" turns out to be the tribal war god of the ancient Hebrews, then we're all screwed. Because Yahweh is a bit of a bastard.

[_The Erotic Apologist]

how misleading of you..it is not simply a matter of
proof

So you're a mind reader? Okay sub-creature, let's see you prove it. I'm thinking of a number between one and ten...what is it?

n. The evidence or argument that compels the mind to accept an assertion as true.
2. The validation of a proposition by application of specified rules, as of induction or deduction, to assumptions, axioms, and sequentially derived conclusions.
etc..

Yes, very clear and succinct. Thank you.

i believe you and Themis are more specific...more litigious than you care to admit...

And I believe you're a disembodied brain floating in a murky specimen jar with a rusty lid. See how that works? When you preface a statement with "I believe" you can say anything you want without having to prove it...but you already knew that, didn't you?

for you proof is limited only to that which is the result or effect of evidence; the establishment or denial of a fact by evidence.

There you go with the mind reading again. I'm still waiting for that number between one and ten.

furthermore limited by what you, or Themis, will accept as evidence....and most notably these "specifics" are only offered up for this topic...for God...for quite obviously you relax such requirements when it comes to other things you certainly hold as "true".

If you're going to talk about what I will and will not accept as evidence you ought to at least provide some examples of the kinds of things I will and will not accept.

Nevertheless, Nipper and others recognize that offering any sort of argument, evidence, axioms, etc. upon your altar of predisposition will be gutted and burned in the name of trickery, or some other such dismissive ritual. It is futile to "show" you anything contrary to your ego driven truth.

These are examples of purple prose and inflated diction. They're signs the writer lacks confidence in his powers of self expression.

Both of you are nothing if not consistent...consistently flawed on this matter...but consistent, which is comforting....and occasionally entertaining...but honestly, yours is a position of stagnation.....a mire of you will....or even better....a tar baby.

In what way am I "consistently flawed on this matter"? Again, some solid, concise examples would be helpful, here. Or are we still talking about your personal, unsupported beliefs?

For example, I'm open to the proposition that Gustave Whitehead built an airplane a year before the Wright brothers, but I'd also like to see some conclusive proof that this is so.

I'm also open to the proposition that the Confederate navy built and operated a fleet of submarines during the Civil War, but I'd also like to see some proof that this is so.

I'm also open to the proposition that Ching Dynasty soldiers used domestically-manufactured bolt-action rifles in their fight against the Taiping rebels, but I'd also like to see some conclusive proof that this is so.

I'm also open to the proposition that a former Israeli paratrooper named Uri Geller can bend metallic objects with his mind, but I'd also like to see some conclusive proof that this is so.

I'm also open to the proposition that an obscure street preacher in the backwater of the Roman empire was an omnipotent, supernatural being who also created the entire universe, but...

...I'd also like to see some conclusive proof that this is so.

all absurd and irrelevant notions and as examples wholly inadequate...and sophomoric in tactic...stay on the subject.

On the contrary, these examples are entirely apropos to the topic of "proof" because A) each happens to be the subject of intense debate, and B) because I've investigated each of them to the best of may ability. Or are you trying to tell me you really believe Uri Geller can bend metallic objects with his mind?

Another developmental flaw in your/Themis's "rebuttals"...the insistence that this being like that means that this is that....an awkwardness at best.

Sorry, this part is completely unintelligible. Did you write this with a Ouija Board?

Interestingly enough, in all your "examples" listed above it is apparent that you are not so much "wanting to see" but rather you are "wanting to be shown"

What part of "I'd like to see some conclusive proof that this is so" do you not understand?

- for investigating any of these matters is not to your liking.....intellectually laying in the stream of knowledge like a catfish...only ingesting what truths happen to float into your mouth...waiting for the hook.

Your meme-fu is weak, old man.

[_The Erotic Apologist]

Subby, here's another example for you--I'm open to the proposition that Das Boot is the sweatiest movie ever made, but I'd like to see some conclusive proof that this is so.