Everybody Wang Chung wrote:Although, I think one would be hard pressed to say that the terms, "freemen", "stripling warrior", "fine workmanship", "curious workmanship", etc. don't border on plagarism.
Each point adds up and the odds must be weighed. There is a cumulative effect that needs to be taken into consideration. It's clear to me where Joe Smith got his ideas and as Dr. Scratch pointed out, all Joe had to do was cut and paste. Presto!
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What am i missing...unless something more sufaces...I don't see any smoking gun... If the plagiarism from the Bible, twisting Pauls words into those of Alma's and Mormon arn't a smoking gun. How can this be?
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Nevo wrote:You guys are hilarious. Where did all the critical thinkers on the board go?
It's just further evidence that the Book of Mormon has a 19th century origin. It fairly clear looking at other sources like Voth that the Book of Mormon story has the same kind of sources. The obvious apologetic will be for loose translation with Joseph just putting it all in his own words. Too bad loose translation just doesn't really fit the facts. We also KNOW Joseph did not get the Book of Abraham right. Should I pull a Shulem on you?
I think there are probably two things to focus on when considering similarities with the Book of Mormon (Given that the timescale and availability aren't in dispute).
1. General themes of events or circumstance. 2. Specific phrases that were seemingly unique to the Book of Mormon.
This type of 'scientific' comparison would give some degree of measure of probability of Joseph using it as an inspiration. I assume somebody with the appropriate credentials (literary analytical skills) will be taking this book and placing it under scrutiny?
That said, with the Book of Mormon, we are not dealing with a civilization with no written record. What we are dealing with is a written record with no civilization. (Runtu, Feb 2015)
Holy Viagara Falls. Has it been more than four hours yet. Kish you better go see a physician.
Anyone who ever created a thing or two knows you can't go from nothing to something. I say the Lord provided Joseph Smith examples of Ancient Writing styles in his day to simmer on the back burner a bit lest he stumble over much when confronted with the language God was soon to provide him written on the stone in the hat.
I think the symphony of The Book of Mormon far exceeds the weak tones of these tomes.
Nightlion wrote:Holy Viagara Falls. Has it been more than four hours yet. Kish you better go see a physician.
Anyone who ever created a thing or two knows you can't go from nothing to something. I say the Lord provided Joseph Smith examples of Ancient Writing styles in his day to simmer on the back burner a bit lest he stumble over much when confronted with the language God was soon to provide him written on the stone in the hat.
I think the symphony of The Book of Mormon far exceeds the weak tones of these tomes.
Well, Ray is sure to back you up on this thinking. That should be comforting.
Some nineteenth-century writers wrote in a pseudo-biblical style. This isn't exactly breaking news. Steve Smoot noted one recent discussion in a Mormon Interpreter article a few months back (see also, Shalev's American Zion).
Nevo wrote:Some nineteenth-century writers wrote in a pseudo-biblical style. This isn't exactly breaking news. Steve Smoot noted one recent discussion in a Mormon Interpreter article a few months back (see also, Shalev's American Zion).
Did that one mention bands of 2000 chosen warriors? Or Striplings with weapons of war? Or curious workmanship? For example?
Nevo wrote:Some nineteenth-century writers wrote in a pseudo-biblical style. This isn't exactly breaking news. Steve Smoot noted one recent discussion in a Mormon Interpreter article a few months back (see also, Shalev's American Zion).
Did that one mention bands of 2000 chosen warriors? Or Striplings with weapons of war? Or curious workmanship? For example?
And that specific type of 'coincidence' seems to be driving the interest in this particular story.
That said, with the Book of Mormon, we are not dealing with a civilization with no written record. What we are dealing with is a written record with no civilization. (Runtu, Feb 2015)
