Possible Modern Source for the Book of Mormon

[_Runtu]

Here is some phrasing shared by LATE WAR and The Book of Mormon which (on a cursory search) is not used in the KJV Old or New Testaments:

LATE WAR, XI:17, Pg. 40

17 And the army of Columbia went into winter quarters ; for the earth was covered with snow, and the waters of the great lakes, on the borders of which they had pitched their tents, were congealed.

Book of Mormon, Alma 51:32

32 And it came to pass that they did harass them, insomuch that they did slay them even until it was dark. And it came to pass that Teancum and his men did pitch their tents in the borders of the land Bountiful; and Amalickiah did pitch his tents in the borders on the beach by the seashore, and after this manner were they driven.

People in the KJV Bible definitely pitched tents in, at, by, beside and between places, but they aren't described as having done so "on the borders" or "in the borders" of places. Maybe that's a 19th century thing, or a non-KJV thing?

-JV

If you notice, both citations call the shores of lakes or seas "borders." Interesting.

[_RockSlider]

These were seer stones that shown forth with a brilliant light and were to be used covering your face with a veil. Placing them in a hat and covering your face works just as well.

Besides, Often times the side-effect of buried treasure simultaneously being revealed during the translation process was well worth going to the hat/well bottom stone.

[_Maksutov]

One of the most interesting threads I've read on this board.

[_Runtu]

Another interesting tidbit: "These we will spare; neither will we hurt a hair of their heads: nor shall the savages of the wilderness stain the scalping-knife or the tomahawk with the blood of the king's friends."

[_Gadianton]

It does do some damage to some "old chestnuts."

Chiamus? Check
"And it came to pass"? Check
Cognate accusative? Check

This could get interesting.

Not to mention the horrifying embarrassment that the most sacred relic of Mormonism, the Liahona, was patterned after a 19th century invention used for "dynamite fishing".

[_AlmaBound]

Another interesting tidbit: "These we will spare; neither will we hurt a hair of their heads: nor shall the savages of the wilderness stain the scalping-knife or the tomahawk with the blood of the king's friends."

Was thinking Anti Nephi Lehies reference. There is a passage that refers to converted "savages" who would not lift arms against their adversaries.

[_RockSlider]

The question is, how did they come up with the words? Imagine a hypothetically neutral baseline, if they ran that and discovered Late War in the process it would be awesome. However, If they were already aware of Late War already, and if they picked phrases already knowing the contents of the late war, it will be interesting to learn what kind of controls were used to avoid cherry picking.

I'm guessing on a "brute force" search, which took the first four words in the Book of Mormon, compare against the book base total content, sequence up one word in the Book of Mormon and loop. Likely took many hours to get results.

[_Runtu]

Another interesting tidbit: "These we will spare; neither will we hurt a hair of their heads: nor shall the savages of the wilderness stain the scalping-knife or the tomahawk with the blood of the king's friends."

Was thinking Anti Nephi Lehies reference. There is a passage that refers to converted "savages" who would not lift arms against their adversaries.

I was thinking more of blood-stained swords, which is supposed to be a marker of Mesoamerican wooden clubs.

[Aristotle Smith]

Another evidence of the Book of Mormon's ancient Hebraic origins is its use of the cognate accusative, which a person in Joseph Smith's time and place was unlikely to have known about.

Towards the bottom of the page, there a few posts from myself and The Dude.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5622&hilit=cognate&start=42

Funny.

I remember the very first "personal message" I got at FAIR. It was from you around November 2006. You wrote that you "laughed a strong laugh" because of something funny I posted.

I made this known to Dan Peterson, that I regularly used cognate accusatives, when he first started advancing this "Hebraic connection". I searched for the dialogue we had on this subject, where I showed him time stamped posts on FAIR where I was unknowingly accusing the cognate, years before he tried to create this connection. But alas, those threads have been expunged.

Make no mistake, he certainly remembers our back and forth on the subject, and especially my proof that I have long been using that pattern of speech. Odd that he apparently is still advancing this idea.

[_Runtu]

I made this known to Dan Peterson when he first started advancing this "Hebraic connection". I searched for the dialogue we had on this subject, where I showed him time stamped posts on FAIR where I was unknowingly accusing the cognate years before he tried to create this connection. But alas, those threads have long been expunged.

Make no mistake, he certainly remembers our back and forth on the subject, and especially my proof that I have long been using that pattern of speech. Odd that he apparently is still advancing this idea.

It's obvious that you had unconsciously picked up this speech pattern through your scripture study. :)