Is hell enough as punishment?

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Re: Is hell enough as punishment?

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The Erotic Apologist wrote:
subgenius wrote:how misleading of you..it is not simply a matter of
proof
So you're a mind reader? Okay sub-creature, let's see you prove it. I'm thinking of a number between one and ten...what is it?

you were thinking of the number 4.
I challenge you to prove otherwise....with evidence.

your concession is duly noted :lol:
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subgenius wrote:
The Erotic Apologist wrote:So you're a mind reader? Okay sub-creature, let's see you prove it. I'm thinking of a number between one and ten...what is it?

you were thinking of the number 4.
Wrong.



subgenius wrote:I challenge you to prove otherwise....with evidence.
Since I'm the one who thought up the number, I am therefore uniquely qualified to determine whether said number was 4. It wasn't.



subgenius wrote:your concession is duly noted :lol:
Ah yes, that would be the Subgenius variation of the Lyndon Banes Johnson strategy for total victory in Vietnam--Declare victory and run away!
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four seasons wrote:If the questions I ask here seems a bit confused, it is because I feel confused about what I am asking about.

As I understand the scriptures, God sometimes punishes some humans while they are living on earth. I was thinking about why God did that instead of (a) doing nothing and (b) after these individuals had died let them go to hell as punishment.
My answer to that question is that God punishes humans while they are still alive because he want as many humans as possible to start living righteously while on earth.
What do you think of that answer?
I was also thinking about this: Why would God want as many humans as possible to start living righteously on Earth? I was thinking that after they died they anyway got a chance to repent and avoid hell, so why intervene so early (while they still are on Earth)? Is that because there are benefits to repent on Earth and not wait until after death? Or does God want some degree of order on Earth?

I would be thankfull for answers.

Human beings don't need a "God" to punish them because they already punish themselves and each other very effectively.
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The Erotic Apologist wrote:Human beings don't need a "God" to punish them because they already punish themselves and each other very effectively.

Here are offices like trials, judges, jails and executioners. The hallmarks of our civilization.

As an addition - to extend the punishment to the less civilized others - we have our navy, our aeroplanes, our tanks, and in general on any of our splendid establishments that distinguish noble man from the beast of prey.
{Copyright Dr. Lemuel Gulliver, in Kazohinia of Szathmáry Sándor.}

by the way did You get the name Lemuel ?
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Double post
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The Erotic Apologist wrote:Since I'm the one who thought up the number, I am therefore uniquely qualified to determine whether said number was 4. It wasn't.

without any evidence you cannot establish that what you are claiming as being true.
so, again...you were thinking of the number 4.

so sorry

you lose

again
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subgenius wrote:
The Erotic Apologist wrote:Since I'm the one who thought up the number, I am therefore uniquely qualified to determine whether said number was 4. It wasn't.

without any evidence you cannot establish that what you are claiming as being true.
so, again...you were thinking of the number 4.

so sorry

you lose

again

On what planet is the testimony of an expert witness not considered evidence?
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Re: Is hell enough as punishment?

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The Erotic Apologist wrote:On what planet is the testimony of an expert witness not considered evidence?


I will then take the new testament as evidence. Well of course it is evidence.
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The Erotic Apologist wrote:On what planet is the testimony of an expert witness not considered evidence?

you claim you thought up a number...you have offered no evidence to support that claim
If you are suggesting that myself, and everyone else here, accept your claim merely based on your claim as supported by you being an expert witness of things you claim, then you must allow Nipper's claim to be equally "true"...ergo God exists as he claims.

you have no evidence to confirm the number you claim you were thinking.
you have no evidence to confirm that you are, indeed, an expert witness.

the "evidence" of reality actually concludes that you are not, and cannot be, an "expert witness' for your own action...unless you care to give reference to the planet that allows, or rather gives credence to the notion of, an expert witness able to testify as such at his/her own trial....sure you can testify in your own defense...but obviously you would have us consider only your testimony as being evidence...other people - not so much, unless it agrees with you....got it!

nice try

but

you

still

lose

don't be mad...maybe "4" was just a lucky guess.....maybe?
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Re: Is hell enough as punishment?

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The Erotic Apologist wrote:On what planet is the testimony of an expert witness not considered evidence?

double post
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty
I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them
what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams
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