Event: Special Fireside for Disaffected Swedish LDS Saints

[_Flaming Meaux]

I imagine that having worked for the church in a fairly high-profile position for almost thirty years would give him contacts that some Utah-based law firms would find extremely attractive. I don't doubt that he could land a cushy gig with, say, Kirton & McConkie. The church has its hand in so many economic pies in Utah that Turley's network of business connections would be a valuable commodity for some firms.

Maybe the market in Utah really is different--all you have to say is that you work for the church and want to go private, and firms will be falling all over themselves to hire you because of your incredible three months of experience that you gained 25 years ago.

Yeah, so the market is different in Utah-- I don't doubt that the majority of the nation's highest-paid equity partners are paid what they are paid for their connections and business-generating abilities as much as their technical legal abilities (hey, we've got overworked associates to do that latter part), but I'll bet most of them actually worked as a lawyer for more than three months (and a lot more recently) before getting put into that position.

I wonder how those contacts would work out if, say, he were to leave the good graces of the CoJCoLDS? It seems like he'd still be dependent on the church for his livelihood, albeit a little less directly so.

[_Tim the Enchanter]

Wrong again, why me.

Maybe you should leave the legal analysis to the experts.

I will record a presentation that you will give and post it on the web without your permission. Lets see what you will do.

why me,

In the transcript, Marlin Jensen said:

Now everyone who’s decided to believe, not everyone, but most of us who have decided to believe are as aware of the questions that you have as you are and maybe even a lot more questions that you haven’t thought about yet. I just want you to understand that everyone’s experiencing kind of a similar situation.

If Marlin Jensen is serious that there are others who are experiencing the same issues as the Swedes he was addressing (and I think this is obviously true), and if he seriously believes he has a perspective on these issues that can help people resolve these issues in favor of the church, he should be begging to have his message preached as far and as wide as possible in hopes that it will reach more people who are experiencing these questions.

in my opinion, he should have told the Swedes, "This meeting is being recorded and anyone who desires will receive a copy of the recording and a transcription. If any of your friends or family could not be here but are experiencing these questions, please share the recording or transcript of this meeting with them. I encourage you to spread this message as far and wide as you can. These matters are so important and I hope that no one who could be helped by the message given here today fails to hear it."

If it is true, as Marlin Jensen has stated, that the church is experiencing a level apostasy on par with Kirtland, and if he thinks his perspective can help those whose belief hangs in the balance, he should want his message spread far and wide, even among the doubters.

Why should he care if his words are mocked by some people? If he believes in his message, wouldn't he let the fools mock because the greater importance is reaching those with whom his message will resonate?

[_Nightlion]

Would it be too much a bother for someone to post the questions in question? eh?

[_Quasimodo]

Would it be too much a bother for someone to post the questions in question? eh?

I think there are links in the OP of this thread, Night.

[_ludwigm]

I can not believe how badly this was handled.

Hopefully something was learned as a result of this experience.

By whom?
By octogenarians?

[Guest]

I can not believe how badly this was handled.

After listening to it, I think in some ways they handled it better than the transcript indicates and in some ways worse. I'd be interested in a translation of the furtive whispers between the ones sitting next to (and perhaps operating?) the recording device.

My impression is that the questions being asked (possibly by the one recording?) where not exactly honest and smacked of being coached (the whispering not necessarily the source of the coaching).

[_Bazooka]

I can not believe how badly this was handled.

After listening to it, I think in some ways they handled it better than the transcript reports and in some ways worse. I'd be interested in a translation of the furtive whispers between the ones sitting next to (and perhaps operating?) the recording device.

My impression is that the questions being asked (possibly by the one recording?) where not exactly honest and smacked of being coached (not necessarily the source of the coaching).

Interesting that you would choose to resurrect this old thread.
Why don't you want it to go away?

[_bcspace]

Interesting that you would choose to resurrect this old thread.
Why don't you want it to go away?

Why would I want it to go away? This kind of thing is right up my alley.

[_Bazooka]

Interesting that you would choose to resurrect this old thread.
Why don't you want it to go away?

Why would I want it to go away? This kind of thing is right up my alley.

Great, provide some examples of things you think the General Authorities handled badly and why...then the things you think they handled well, and why.

[_DrW]

Interesting that you would choose to resurrect this old thread.
Why don't you want it to go away?

Why would I want it to go away? This kind of thing is right up my alley.

BC,

Now and then I get the strong impression that you may well be one of the most diabolical critics of the LDS Church ever to post here. Your resurrection of this particular thread, at his particular time, reinforces that impression, yet again.

What could be more devastating to the testimony of a doubting Mormon than to lurk here hoping to see faithful answers from a faithful member to the hard questions and critical opinions that rain down upon Mormonism daily, then to slowly figure out that you, as their hoped-for champion, are really a brilliant master of parody - one who understands well the significance of Poe's Law?