Is hell enough as punishment?

[_LittleNipper]

The Bible is a whole lot older, and is still accepted by many people.

In other words, your criteria for separating truth from myth are POPULARITY and SENIORITY.

Nipper, are you still in high school?

Do you not see the obvious? Later additions only attempt to misdirect with the promise of a "NEW DIRECTION." Is the Bible popular today? But it is still relevant to those who seek the face of God. Truth never changes. People's opinion of fact and fiction can be influenced and not always for the better. Are you still clubbing?

[_Bazooka]

Truth never changes.

What?

Back in days of yore people would have said the truth about the earth is that it is flat.
That truth changed.
You may well reply, saying that the truth was that the earth was always round and what people thought was the truth wasn't really the truth - but you can see where we will go with that train of thought can't you....

[_subgenius]

Truth never changes.

What?

Back in days of yore people would have said the truth about the earth is that it is flat.
That truth changed.
You may well reply, saying that the truth was that the earth was always round and what people thought was the truth wasn't really the truth - but you can see where we will go with that train of thought can't you....

you need to distinguish between "truth" and what people "say" is truth.
So, while people saying it was true that the earth was flat and now it is said that it is true the earth is round(ish)...does not represent truth changing...for what was true when people "said" the earth was flat is still true today. The truth never changed, just people's opinion about it.

[_Bazooka]

you need to distinguish between "truth" and what people "say" is truth.
So, while people saying it was true that the earth was flat and now it is said that it is true the earth is round(ish)...does not represent truth changing...for what was true when people "said" the earth was flat is still true today. The truth never changed, just people's opinion about it.

But what you determine as truth is only ever what you decide you are going to accept as the truth.
For the people back in the flat earth days the truth was that the earth was flat - that was based on them making a decision to believe the people who put forward the idea that the earth was flat. Now, you choose (I assume) to believe the people who have put forward the idea that the earth is round, so for you, that's the truth.

What you seem to be suggesting is that what you believe to be the truth, may not actually be the truth. But on that basis, you will never get to the bottom of what the truth is, you will just develop what your opinion as to the what the truth is. Based on which statements, information, experiences, opinions etc you assign as being part of your process for determining truth.

It's a pointless discussion. The truth is simply what we decide is the truth, nothing else has any relevance. Perception is the only reality with which you interact.

[_The Erotic Apologist]

In other words, your criteria for separating truth from myth are POPULARITY and SENIORITY.

Nipper, are you still in high school?

Do you not see the obvious? Later additions only attempt to misdirect with the promise of a "NEW DIRECTION." Is the Bible popular today? But it is still relevant to those who seek the face of God. Truth never changes. People's opinion of fact and fiction can be influenced and not always for the better. Are you still clubbing?

Am you still clubbing?
Sure.

But it (the Bible) is still relevant to those who seek the face of God.
The Bible can only be relevant if A) a god exists, and B) it's the ancient war god of the tribal Hebrews. Assuming a god exists, how would you know it's not Gwan Ying, the Dauist goddess of mercy? Gwan Ying would certainly make a better god than Yahweh, because Gwan Ying isn't a bloodthirsty, homicidal maniac.

Would you agree that a merciful god is better than a bloodthirsty, homicidal god?

[_subgenius]

...(snip)...The truth is simply what we decide is the truth, nothing else has any relevance. Perception is the only reality with which you interact.

Please, provide evidence that what you are claiming here is true.
thank you

[_The Erotic Apologist]

...(snip)...The truth is simply what we decide is the truth, nothing else has any relevance. Perception is the only reality with which you interact.

Please, provide evidence that what you are claiming here is true.
thank you

Please, provide evidence that Bazooka has not already provided said evidence in a previous post.
Thank you.

[_consiglieri]

Can you name a punishment God has given a human in this life?

My first wife.

[_Bazooka]

...(snip)...The truth is simply what we decide is the truth, nothing else has any relevance. Perception is the only reality with which you interact.

Please, provide evidence that what you are claiming here is true.
thank you

[_Gunnar]

both of you have provided equal evidence of that "knowledge".
fact is...you were thinking of the number "4".
You saying otherwise is dishonest and an obvious ruse.
Either prove you were thinking of another number or concede.

I find it incredible that a presumably mature adult like yourself could possibly believe that there is anything clever or convincing about persisting in your absurd line of argument. Obviously TEA would be an infinitely more credible authority for what number he was thinking of than you would be. Your claim that he was thinking of the number 4, despite what TEA would claim to the contrary is absolutely worthless. Your trustworthiness, based on what I have seen of your behavior and comments on these forums is very close to zero!

The fact is that, unlike TEA, you have no way of knowing what number he was actually thinking of, unless he tells you. For you to claim otherwise is a blatant lie, and you know that as well as I do. This line of argument of yours is nothing but one of your typical, desperate attempts to obfuscate the real issue we are discussing here.