Themis wrote:Subby acts like a child here all the time. He asked for evidence of what the number he was thinking of, which TEA provided. His statement that the number he was thinking of is number 4 is evidence of that. One of so many things subby demonstrates he does not understand. Sure he could be lying. If we wanted to eliminate this possibility then they could get together in person and he could write the number down and put it into an envelope on a table in front of both of them.
Yes. I agree that is an apt description of how he often acts.
No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
“If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you.”
― Harlan Ellison
LittleNipper wrote:In fact, secular scientists once believed that the universe was eternal and unchanging. The idea of an expanding universe would have been considered nonsense to most scientists of the past. It must have been tempting for Christians to reject what the Bible teaches about the expansion of the universe. Perhaps some Christians tried to “reinterpret” Isaiah 40:22, and read it in an unnatural way so that they wouldn’t have to believe in an expanding universe. When the world believes one thing, and the Bible teaches another, it is always tempting to think that God got the details wrong, but God is never wrong.
You don't know your history of science very well, do you? At one time there was nearly unanimous agreement by both theologians and scientists (very few of whom were actually secular at the time) that the universe (other than the earth) was eternal and unchanging. The very idea that it was possible for the heavens (all of the universe except the earth) to change was regarded as abominable heresy by almost all, if not all, Christian religious authorities. It was secular scientists (or scientists with a secular tendency) who first suggested that that the "heavens" were not, in fact, unchangeable, and might, in fact, be made of the same elements and substances out of which the earth was made. They were angrily denounced by religious authorities for that suggestion, and accused of heresy and blasphemy. Some (Giordano Bruno, for example) were even burned at the stake for it! see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giordano_Bruno
No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
“If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you.”
― Harlan Ellison
Gunnar wrote:Some (Bruno, for example) were even burned at the stake for it!
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Runtu wrote:Here's what Thomas Monson said about open-mindedness:
Should doubt knock at your doorway, just say to those skeptical, disturbing, rebellious thoughts: “I propose to stay with my faith, with the faith of my people. ... My faith did not come to me through science, and I will not permit so-called science to destroy it.”
Blixa wrote:
ludwigm wrote:So-called science? Thou are the man, Thomas Monson, who hath burned Giordano Bruno!
Ludwig, you really warmed my heart with that one...
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco - To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
Gunnar wrote:I didn't miss the point. Of course it is possible that TEA might have chosen to lie about what number he was thinking of, but the fact remains that if one wanted to find out what number he was thinking of, he would be the one to ask about that--not you! What you claim is the number he was thinking of is totally irrelevant and has not the slightest bit of credibility!
yet the thread shows that TEA asked me for the number TEA was thinking of. and that number was
4
TEA's obvious denial now is due to the skepticism TEA was so deeply entrenched within when asking me.
Nevertheless, TEA cannot provide evidence for the number being thought of....yet TEA claims this "thought" was true.....and TEA, and others, insists upon evidence for things to actually be true.
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
LittleNipper wrote:Well, the Bible never explained to anyone that the world was "flat." That is what people may perceive when they only except portions of the Bible but do not accept it all... There are always those who jump to conclusions based on what others believe but not what the Bible says.
You seem to be saying that 'truths' articulated in the Bible have stood the test of time and not changed. Is that what you are saying?
That said, with the Book of Mormon, we are not dealing with a civilization with no written record. What we are dealing with is a written record with no civilization. (Runtu, Feb 2015)
subgenius wrote:Nevertheless, TEA cannot provide evidence for the number being thought of....
Nevertheless, Subby cannot provide evidence that he was not an involuntary subject of an experiment involving children and psychoactive compounds...
like you would remember me being there
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
subgenius wrote:Nevertheless, Subby cannot provide evidence that he was not an involuntary subject of an experiment involving children and psychoactive compounds...
like you would remember me being there
Thank you for freely admitting you were the subject of mind-warping experiments administered by fat ladies wearing tight little Nazi uniforms.
Surprise, surprise, there is no divine mandate for the Church to discuss and portray its history accurately. --Yahoo Bot
I pray thee, sir, forgive me for the mess. And whether I shot first, I'll not confess. --Han Solo, from William Shakespeare's Star Wars
subgenius wrote: Nevertheless, TEA cannot provide evidence for the number being thought of....yet TEA claims this "thought" was true.....and TEA, and others, insists upon evidence for things to actually be true.
What is it that you don't understand about a witness statement being evidence?
subgenius wrote: Nevertheless, TEA cannot provide evidence for the number being thought of....yet TEA claims this "thought" was true.....and TEA, and others, insists upon evidence for things to actually be true.
What is it that you don't understand about a witness statement being evidence?
the same thing that is apparently misunderstood when someone like Nipper gives the same statement about God.
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
