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Deuteronomy 32:1-52
“Give ear, O heavens, and I will speak;
And hear, O earth, the words of my mouth.
Let my teaching drop as the rain,
My speech distill as the dew,
As raindrops on the tender herb,
And as showers on the grass.
For I proclaim the name of the Lord:
Ascribe greatness to our God.
He is the Rock, His work is perfect;
For all His ways are justice,
A God of truth and without injustice;
Righteous and upright is He.
“They have corrupted themselves;
They are not His children,
Because of their blemish:
A perverse and crooked generation.
Do you thus deal with the Lord,
O foolish and unwise people?
Is He not your Father, who bought you?
Has He not made you and established you?

“Remember the days of old,
Consider the years of many generations.
Ask your father, and he will show you;
Your elders, and they will tell you:
When the Most High divided their inheritance to the nations,
When He separated the sons of Adam,
He set the boundaries of the peoples
According to the number of the children of Israel.
For the Lord’s portion is His people;
Jacob is the place of His inheritance.

“He found him in a desert land
And in the wasteland, a howling wilderness;
He encircled him, He instructed him,
He kept him as the apple of His eye.
As an eagle stirs up its nest,
Hovers over its young,
Spreading out its wings, taking them up,
Carrying them on its wings,
So the Lord alone led him,
And there was no foreign god with him.

“He made him ride in the heights of the earth,
That he might eat the produce of the fields;
He made him draw honey from the rock,
And oil from the flinty rock;
Curds from the cattle, and milk of the flock,
With fat of lambs;
And rams of the breed of Bashan, and goats,
With the choicest wheat;
And you drank wine, the blood of the grapes.

“But Jeshurun grew fat and kicked;
You grew fat, you grew thick,
You are obese!
Then he forsook God who made him,
And scornfully esteemed the Rock of his salvation.
They provoked Him to jealousy with foreign gods;
With abominations they provoked Him to anger.
They sacrificed to demons, not to God,
To gods they did not know,
To new gods, new arrivals
That your fathers did not fear.
Of the Rock who begot you, you are unmindful,
And have forgotten the God who fathered you.

“And when the Lord saw it, He spurned them,
Because of the provocation of His sons and His daughters.
And He said: ‘I will hide My face from them,
I will see what their end will be,
For they are a perverse generation,
Children in whom is no faith.
They have provoked Me to jealousy by what is not God;
They have moved Me to anger by their foolish idols.
But I will provoke them to jealousy by those who are not a nation;
I will move them to anger by a foolish nation.
For a fire is kindled in My anger,
And shall burn to the lowest hell;
It shall consume the earth with her increase,
And set on fire the foundations of the mountains.

‘I will heap disasters on them;
I will spend My arrows on them.
They shall be wasted with hunger,
Devoured by pestilence and bitter destruction;
I will also send against them the teeth of beasts,
With the poison of serpents of the dust.
The sword shall destroy outside;
There shall be terror within
For the young man and virgin,
The nursing child with the man of gray hairs.
I would have said, “I will dash them in pieces,
I will make the memory of them to cease from among men,”
Had I not feared the wrath of the enemy,
Lest their adversaries should misunderstand,
Lest they should say, “Our hand is high;
And it is not the Lord who has done all this.”’

“For they are a nation void of counsel,
Nor is there any understanding in them.
Oh, that they were wise, that they understood this,
That they would consider their latter end!
How could one chase a thousand,
And two put ten thousand to flight,
Unless their Rock had sold them,
And the Lord had surrendered them?
For their rock is not like our Rock,
Even our enemies themselves being judges.
For their vine is of the vine of Sodom
And of the fields of Gomorrah;
Their grapes are grapes of gall,
Their clusters are bitter.
Their wine is the poison of serpents,
And the cruel venom of cobras.

‘Is this not laid up in store with Me,
Sealed up among My treasures?
Vengeance is Mine, and recompense;
Their foot shall slip in due time;
For the day of their calamity is at hand,
And the things to come hasten upon them.’

“For the Lord will judge His people
And have compassion on His servants,
When He sees that their power is gone,
And there is no one remaining, bond or free.
He will say: ‘Where are their gods,
The rock in which they sought refuge?
Who ate the fat of their sacrifices,
And drank the wine of their drink offering?
Let them rise and help you,
And be your refuge.

‘Now see that I, even I, am He,
And there is no God besides Me;
I kill and I make alive;
I wound and I heal;
Nor is there any who can deliver from My hand.
For I raise My hand to heaven,
And say, “As I live forever,
If I whet My glittering sword,
And My hand takes hold on judgment,
I will render vengeance to My enemies,
And repay those who hate Me.
I will make My arrows drunk with blood,
And My sword shall devour flesh,
With the blood of the slain and the captives,
From the heads of the leaders of the enemy.”’

“Rejoice, O Gentiles, with His people;
For He will avenge the blood of His servants,
And render vengeance to His adversaries;
He will provide atonement for His land and His people.”

So Moses came with Joshua the son of Nun and spoke the words of this song so the people could hear. When finished Moses finished speaking the song to Israel, he told them to set their hearts on all these words presently testified. They are to command the children to be careful to observe—all the words of this law. For it is not a futile, because their life by obeying these words shall prolong their days in the land which they cross over the Jordan to take.

The Lord spoke to Moses that very same day, saying: “Go up this mountain of the Abarim, Mount Nebo, which is in the land of Moab, across from Jericho; view the land of Canaan, which I give to the children of Israel as a possession; and die on the mountain which you ascend, and be gathered to your people, just as Aaron your brother died on Mount Hor and was gathered to his people; because you trespassed against Me among the children of Israel at the waters of Meribah Kadesh, in the Wilderness of Zin, because you did not hallow Me in the midst of the children of Israel. Yet you shall see the land spread out below you, though you shall not go, into the land which I am giving to the children of Israel.”


Young's Literal Translation (YLT)


1 `Give ear, O heavens, and I speak; And thou dost hear, O earth, sayings of my mouth!

2 Drop as rain doth My doctrine; Flow as dew doth My sayings; As storms on the tender grass, And as showers on the herb,

3 For the Name of Jehovah I proclaim, Ascribe ye greatness to our God!

4 The Rock! -- perfect [is] His work, For all His ways [are] just; God of stedfastness, and without iniquity: Righteous and upright [is] He.

5 It hath done corruptly to Him; Their blemish is not His sons', A generation perverse and crooked!

6 To Jehovah do ye act thus, O people foolish and not wise? Is not He thy father -- thy possessor? He made thee, and doth establish thee.

7 Remember days of old -- Understand the years of many generations -- Ask thy father, and he doth tell thee; Thine elders, and they say to thee:

8 In the Most High causing nations to inherit, In His separating sons of Adam -- He setteth up the borders of the peoples By the number of the sons of Israel.

9 For Jehovah's portion [is] His people, Jacob [is] the line of His inheritance.

10 He findeth him in a land -- a desert, And in a void -- a howling wilderness, He turneth him round -- He causeth him to understand -- He keepeth him as the apple of His eye.

11 As an eagle waketh up its nest, Over its young ones fluttereth, Spreadeth its wings -- taketh them, Beareth them on its pinions; --

12 Jehovah alone doth lead him, And there is no strange god with him.

13 He maketh him ride on high places of earth, And he eateth increase of the fields, And He maketh him suck honey from a rock, And oil out of the flint of a rock;

14 Butter of the herd, and milk of the flock, With fat of lambs, and rams, sons of Bashan, And he-goats, with fat of kidneys of wheat; And of the blood of the grape thou dost drink wine!

15 And Jeshurun waxeth fat, and doth kick: Thou hast been fat -- thou hast been thick, Thou hast been covered. And he leaveth God who made him, And dishonoureth the Rock of his salvation.

16 They make Him zealous with strangers, With abominations they make Him angry.

17 They sacrifice to demons -- no god! Gods they have not known -- New ones -- from the vicinity they came; Not feared them have your fathers!

18 The Rock that begat thee thou forgettest, And neglectest God who formeth thee.

19 And Jehovah seeth and despiseth -- For the provocation of His sons and His daughters.

20 And He saith: I hide My face from them, I see what [is] their latter end; For a froward generation [are] they, Sons in whom is no stedfastness.

21 They have made Me zealous by `no-god,' They made Me angry by their vanities; And I make them zealous by `no-people,' By a foolish nation I make them angry.

22 For a fire hath been kindled in Mine anger, And it burneth unto Sheol -- the lowest, And consumeth earth and its increase, And setteth on fire foundations of mountains.

23 I gather upon them evils, Mine arrows I consume upon them.

24 Exhausted by famine, And consumed by heat, and bitter destruction. And the teeth of beasts I send upon them, With poison of fearful things of the dust.

25 Without bereave doth the sword, And at the inner-chambers -- fear, Both youth and virgin, Suckling with man of grey hair.

26 I have said: I blow them away, I cause their remembrance to cease from man;

27 If not -- the anger of an enemy I fear, Lest their adversaries know -- Lest they say, Our hand is high, And Jehovah hath not wrought all this.

28 For a nation lost to counsels [are] they, And there is no understanding in them.

29 If they were wise -- They deal wisely [with] this; They attend to their latter end:

30 How doth one pursue a thousand, And two cause a myriad to flee! If not -- that their rock hath sold them, And Jehovah hath shut them up?

31 For not as our Rock [is] their rock, (And our enemies [are] judges!)

32 For of the vine of Sodom their vine [is], And of the fields of Gomorrah; Their grapes [are] grapes of gall -- They have bitter clusters;

33 The poison of dragons [is] their wine And the fierce venom of asps.

34 Is it not laid up with Me? Sealed among My treasures?

35 Mine [are] vengeance and recompense, At the due time -- doth their foot slide; For near is a day of their calamity, And haste do things prepared for them.

36 For Jehovah doth judge His people, And for His servants doth repent Himself. For He seeth -- the going away of power, And none is restrained and left.

37 And He hath said, Where [are] their gods -- The rock in which they trusted;

38 Which the fat of their sacrifices do eat, They drink the wine of their libation! Let them arise and help you, Let it be for you a hiding-place!

39 See ye, now, that I -- I [am] He, And there is no god with Me: I put to death, and I keep alive; I have smitten, and I heal; And there is not from My hand a deliverer,

40 For I lift up unto the heavens My hand, And have said, I live -- to the age!

41 If I have sharpened the brightness of My sword, And My hand doth lay hold on judgment, I turn back vengeance to Mine adversaries, And to those hating Me -- I repay!

42 I make drunk Mine arrows with blood, And My sword devoureth flesh, From the blood of the pierced and captive, From the head of the freemen of the enemy.

43 Sing ye nations -- [with] his people, For the blood of His servants He avengeth, And vengeance He turneth back on His adversaries, And hath pardoned His land -- His people.'

44 And Moses cometh and speaketh all the words of this song in the ears of the people, he and Hoshea son of Nun;

45 and Moses finisheth to speak all these words unto all Israel,

46 and saith unto them, `Set your heart to all the words which I am testifying against you to-day, that ye command your sons to observe to do all the words of this law,

47 for it [is] not a vain thing for you, for it [is] your life, and by this thing ye prolong days on the ground whither ye are passing over the Jordan to possess it.'

48 And Jehovah speaketh unto Moses, in this self-same day, saying,

49 `Go up unto this mount Abarim, mount Nebo, which [is] in the land of Moab, which [is] on the front of Jericho, and see the land of Canaan which I am giving to the sons of Israel for a possession;

50 and die in the mount whither thou art going up, and be gathered unto thy people, as Aaron thy brother hath died in the mount Hor, and is gathered unto his people:

51 `Because ye trespassed against me in the midst of the sons of Israel at the waters of Meribath-Kadesh, the wilderness of Zin -- because ye sanctified Me not in the midst of the sons of Israel;

52 but over-against thou seest the land, and thither thou dost not go in, unto the land which I am giving to the sons of Israel.'

[Guest]

Any judgment of you is entirely in God's hands. Nothing is enough for you and you are plainly here to promote yourself. I pray that you find what you do not seem to possess --- the mind of God.

"Any judgment of you is entirely in God's hands."
Translation: I can't prove any of this so I'm going to threaten you with hell fire and brimstone instead. If you're going to tell people that Noah was the first emperor of China, don't you think you ought to have some proof to back it up?

"Nothing is enough for you and you are plainly here to promote yourself."
Uh, no. If I were here to promote myself I would post under my real name and would not use an avatar. And no, "nothing" is not "good enough" for me--clear, convincing evidence is "good enough" for me. In other words, as soon as I find some solid evidence that Noah was in fact the first emperor of China, I will adjust my beliefs accordingly.

"I pray that you find what you do not seem to possess --- the mind of God."
Sounds good, but first I'd like to see some clear, convincing evidence that the "mind of God" actually exists. Again, as soon as I find some solid, compelling evidence I will adjust my attitudes accordingly.

Nipper, here's an example of what I would consider to be clear, convincing evidence...

For many years, certain historians devoted to the study of the Confederate navy asserted that the CSS Hunley, a primitive submarine, had originally been designed to be propelled by "magnetic engines". As a student of the Civil War, I was very skeptical toward these claims until a friend of mine showed me a set of written orders transmitted to a Confederate purchasing agent directing him to travel to London specifically to obtain "magnetic engines" suitable for use in a "porpoise boat".

[_LittleNipper]

Any judgment of you is entirely in God's hands. Nothing is enough for you and you are plainly here to promote yourself. I pray that you find what you do not seem to possess --- the mind of God.

"Any judgment of you is entirely in God's hands."
Translation: I can't prove any of this so I'm going to threaten you with hell fire and brimstone instead. If you're going to tell people that Noah was the first emperor of China, don't you think you ought to have some proof to back it up?

"Nothing is enough for you and you are plainly here to promote yourself."
Uh, no. If I were here to promote myself I would post under my real name and would not use an avatar. And no, "nothing" is not "good enough" for me--clear, convincing evidence is "good enough" for me. In other words, as soon as I find some solid evidence that Noah was in fact the first emperor of China, I will adjust my beliefs accordingly.

"I pray that you find what you do not seem to possess --- the mind of God."
Sounds good, but first I'd like to see some clear, convincing evidence that the "mind of God" actually exists. Again, as soon as I find some solid, compelling evidence I will adjust my attitudes accordingly.

[_The Erotic Apologist]

Nipper, here's another example of the kind of proof that's "good enough" for me...

Like most people who are interested in historic process photography I was convinced that true color photography didn't exist until 1903 when the French Autochrome process was patented. I believed that anyone who claimed otherwise was either misinformed, or was exaggerating. Or perhaps they were simply unable to distinguish between color photographs and "colored" photographs.

However, I was forced to drastically change my "beliefs" when A) the Getty Conservation Institute announced that color photography had in fact been invented by a man named Levi Hill in 1851, and B) a modern researcher named Joseph Boudreau successfully replicated Levi Hill's process, and published his results in a peer-reviewed journal.

[_subgenius]

Nipper, here's another example of the kind of proof that's "good enough" for me...
(snip)..

actually there is only one example from TEA -
"whatever i say is good enough"

[_LittleNipper]

Nipper, here's another example of the kind of proof that's "good enough" for me...

Like most people who are interested in historic process photography I was convinced that true color photography didn't exist until 1903 when the French Autochrome process was patented. I believed that anyone who claimed otherwise was either misinformed, or was exaggerating. Or perhaps they were simply unable to distinguish between color photographs and "colored" photographs.

However, I was forced to drastically change my "beliefs" when A) the Getty Conservation Institute announced that color photography had in fact been invented by a man named Levi Hill in 1851, and B) a modern researcher named Joseph Boudreau successfully replicated Levi Hill's process, and published his results in a peer-reviewed journal.

The old Bible text found -- http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atla ... rolls.html

[_The Erotic Apologist]

The old Bible text found -- http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atla ... rolls.html

That's very interesting. Thank you for posting it.

What conclusions would you draw from this discovery in regards to the Bible in general and Christianity in particular?

[_LittleNipper]

The old Bible text found -- http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atla ... rolls.html

That's very interesting. Thank you for posting it.

What conclusions would you draw from this discovery in regards to the Bible in general and Christianity in particular?

Theories do not equal truth, and Christians have nothing to fear from religions who say they are older. PS> Thanks for being straight forward.

[_The Erotic Apologist]

Theories do not equal truth, and Christians have nothing to fear from religions who say they are older. PS> Thanks for being straight forward.

Does this mean you're no longer arguing that the age of the Bible makes the faith claims of Christianity more credible than those of other faiths?

If so, then what was the point of posting that link?

[_LittleNipper]

Theories do not equal truth, and Christians have nothing to fear from religions who say they are older. PS> Thanks for being straight forward.

Does this mean you're no longer arguing that the age of the Bible makes the faith claims of Christianity more credible than those of other faiths?

If so, then what was the point of posting that link?

I believe a Judeo/Christian Bible based worldview is superior to anything else offered in the world. Not only is the value of life upheld, but a God centered rational reason for life at all is well established. Generally, as a nation moves closer to the true God that nation prospers and becomes a safe haven. As a nation rejects the true God of the Bible, that nation becomes awash in rejection, disorder, greed, and failure. I already see the Bible as historic and I'm clearly trying to give you some reasons for you to pursue after this loving yet righteous God.