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Re: Bible verse by verse

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Gunnar wrote:
The Erotic Apologist wrote:I do not need am immune to proof...

There, fixed it for ya. :smile:

Good fix! It has long been obvious that LittleNipper is totally immune to proof of anything he does not already believe. It is sad that he cannot see how incredibly arrogant his statement is. He is in effect claiming that he cannot possibly be mistaken about the Bible being the infallible and inerrant word of God, regardless of how incontrovertible or abundant the evidence to the contrary. This is the exact opposite of humility!


I have a relationship and not a belief. This is available to anyone willing to ask the Holy Spirit to come inside his soul and assume control, in the name of Jesus Christ. Humility is knowing when one's personal direction is not important, but God's direction is. That is humility
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Bazooka wrote:
subgenius wrote:you mean you want something that fits in a bread box? or just something that "science" would conclude has a probability of being proof?....a probability that is somehow, magically, "feeling" appropriate to you.....


No, just something that is verifiable by means other than individuals spouting a personal belief in God.

I cannot do that for you. What you wish comes only when one places his trust in the Lord through Christ.
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LittleNipper wrote:
Bazooka wrote:No, just something that is verifiable by means other than individuals spouting a personal belief in God.

I cannot do that for you.
Right, because it's categorically impossible to prove (or disprove) the existence of an entity that cannot be interacted with in an observable manner. In this, you and I are in complete agreement.


LittleNipper wrote:What you wish comes only when one places his trust in the Lord through Christ.
Sorry, but that's simply impossible, because you can't "trust" an entity that cannot be interacted with. You made that perfectly clear when you admitted you cannot verify the existence of the ancient war god of the tribal Hebrews.

In other words, you're an atheist who just doesn't know it, yet.

Congratulations, Nipper.
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LittleNipper wrote:I have a relationship and not a belief. This is available to anyone willing to ask the Holy Spirit to come inside his soul and assume control, in the name of Jesus Christ. Humility is knowing when one's personal direction is not important, but God's direction is. That is humility
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You once again demonstrated your arrogance and inability (or, rather, refusal) to comprehend. What makes you so arrogant and unreasonable is your unshakeable conviction that you could not possibly be mistaken about what "God's direction is." As I and others have repeatedly pointed out to you, there are many people who believe just as firmly as you do that they have a relationship with God and therefore know what God's direction is, yet who disagree with you. Why should you or anyone think that you are more likely to be right than any of the others?

You once again inadvertently confirm the extreme unreliability of the spiritual, religious faith approach to seeking truth, and belief in the supernatural. With nearly every post you make, you further undermine your own credibility and underscore your own arrogance and immunity to sound evidence and reason!
No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.

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12 Then speaketh Joshua to Jehovah in the day of Jehovah's giving up the Amorites before the sons of Israel, and he saith, before the eyes of Israel, `Sun -- in Gibeon stand still; and moon -- in the valley of Ajalon;'

13 and the sun standeth still, and the moon hath stood -- till the nation taketh vengeance [on] its enemies; is it not written on the Book of the Upright, `and the sun standeth in the midst of the heavens, and hath not hasted to go in -- as a perfect day?'

14 And there hath not been like that day before it or after it, for Jehovah's hearkening to the voice of a man; for Jehovah is fighting for Israel.



The Sun Stands Still

12 Then Joshua spoke to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the sons of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, "O sun, stand still at Gibeon, And O moon in the valley of Aijalon." 13 So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, Until the nation avenged themselves of their enemies. Is it not written in the book of Jashar? And the sun stopped in the middle of the sky and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day. 14 There was no day like that before it or after it, when the LORD listened to the voice of a man; for the LORD fought for Israel.…


http://biblehub.com/joshua/10-13.htm
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LittleNipper wrote:I have a relationship and not a belief.


In what explicit and specific ways is your relationship with God different to that of someone who has an imaginary friend?
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Bazooka wrote:
LittleNipper wrote:I have a relationship and not a belief.


In what explicit and specific ways is your relationship with God different to that of someone who has an imaginary friend?

Excellent question! Much more concise and direct than what I asked. :smile:
No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.

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The Erotic Apologist wrote:Sorry, but that's simply impossible, because you can't "trust" an entity that cannot be interacted with. You made that perfectly clear when you admitted you cannot verify the existence of the ancient war god of the tribal Hebrews.

In other words, you're an atheist who just doesn't know it, yet.

Congratulations, Nipper.

That is an interesting way to put it--and quite valid, in my opinion.

That religious fundamentalists like LittleNipper regard those who are willing to submit and subordinate even their deepest convictions to the demands of honest intellectual inquiry and hard evidence as arrogant, while regarding themselves as humble despite cheerfully and proudly admitting that no amount of empirical evidence, however incontrovertible will ever convince them that their own religious convictions are mistaken, is so incredibly bassackwards that I will never cease to marvel at how anyone can be so obtuse!
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No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.

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Gunnar wrote:
Bazooka wrote:In what explicit and specific ways is your relationship with God different to that of someone who has an imaginary friend?

Excellent question! Much more concise and direct than what I asked. :smile:
I agree--excellent question.

Nipper, would you also please explain why your imaginary friend (Yahweh) is real, but everybody else's imaginary friends (Allah, Krishna, etc) are fake?

What makes your mythology better than everybody else's mythology?
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Nipper, would you also please explain why you believe your imaginary friend (Yahweh) is real, while everybody else's imaginary friends (Allah, Krishna, etc) are fake?

What makes your mythology better than everybody else's mythology?

And can you answer that without your usual circular reasoning like, for example: invoking biblical claims of its own infallibility as proof of its own infallibility.
No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.

“If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you.”
― Harlan Ellison
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