Every single Nephite but ONE?

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ZelphtheGreat wrote:No deserters, no conscientious objectors, no one hid in the hills or ran away.

Yeah..., right.

There were both deserters and ones who ran away. See:

Mormon 6:15:

And it came to pass that there were ten more who did fall by the sword, with their ten thousand each; yea, even all my people, save it were those twenty and four who were with me, and also a few who had escaped into the south countries, and a few who had deserted over unto the Lamanites, had fallen; and their flesh, and bones, and blood lay upon the face of the earth, being left by the hands of those who slew them to molder upon the land, and to crumble and to return to their mother earth.

Moroni 9:24:

And if it so be that they perish, we know that many of our brethren have deserted over unto the Lamanites, and many more will also desert over unto them; wherefore, write somewhat a few things, if thou art spared and I shall perish and not see thee; but I trust that I may see thee soon; for I have sacred records that I would deliver up unto thee.
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Re: Every single Nephite but ONE?

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ZelphtheGreat wrote:In the last great battle there was only one survivor. He lived long enough to hide the plates. No mention of The Three Nephites helping him.

Every other Nephite was killed.


No deserters, no conscientious objectors, no one hid in the hills or ran away.

Yeah..., right.


The fun part is that the BOLD above is directly from the missionaries who put it in answer to my questions on Mormon CHAT on the Mormon.org site.

They assured me the Three Nephites did not help as they were in the world 'doing good' at the time.

It is amazing what one gets from Mormon Chat.
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ZelphtheGreat wrote:In the last great battle there was only one survivor.
Bazooka wrote:You have to ask why Moroni didn't at least save a woman or two along with some children and babies.
Nope, he let them all perish.
Selfishness?
Cowardice?
Desertion?
That one survivor was foot fetishist.

BIGfoot fetishist... And we have the survivor around - there are thousands who have seen him.
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The Nehor wrote:
Fence Sitter wrote:Well it's not like there is anther place in the Book of Mormon where there is only one survivor after a massive battle.

Oh wait....


You mean the Jaredites. The first person account that focused only on the battle and Ether was unable to know how many people deserted or routed? Yeah, that one.

Even so, we have two recorded survivors: Ether and Coriantumr.

So....wrong again.

Have I just grown smarter or was this board always this ignorant?


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The Nehor wrote:
Fence Sitter wrote:Well it's not like there is anther place in the Book of Mormon where there is only one survivor after a massive battle.

Oh wait....


You mean the Jaredites. The first person account that focused only on the battle and Ether was unable to know how many people deserted or routed? Yeah, that one.

Even so, we have two recorded survivors: Ether and Coriantumr.

So....wrong again.

Have I just grown smarter or was this board always this ignorant?


I'll quote some passages from Ether 15,


12 And it came to pass that they did gather together all the people upon all the face of the land, who had not been slain, save it was Ether.

14 Wherefore, they were for the space of four years gathering together the people, that they might get all who were upon the face of the land, and that they might receive all the strength which it was possible that they could receive.

15 And it came to pass that when they were all gathered together, every one to the army which he would, with their wives and their children—both men, women and children being armed with weapons of war, having shields, and breastplates, and head-plates, and being clothed after the manner of war—they did march forth one against another to battle; and they fought all that day, and conquered not.


Okay so they spend four years gathering together everyone to a massive battle. For the sake of the argument I'll concede that some might have escaped the gathering.

29 Wherefore, he did pursue them, and on the morrow he did overtake them; and they fought again with the sword. And it came to pass that when they had all fallen by the sword, save it were Coriantumr and Shiz, behold Shiz had fainted with the loss of blood.

30 And it came to pass that when Coriantumr had leaned upon his sword, that he rested a little, he smote off the head of Shiz.


I would argue that even factoring in the possibility for desertions (not mentioned in the text, and verse 23 says "they had all fallen by the sword") the idea of these two large armies meeting and then through a series of mass casualties and potential desertions that it would come down to just two people fighting is still incredibly low. Perhaps just as low as the scenario in which everyone dies except for two people.
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The Nehor wrote:
Fence Sitter wrote:Well it's not like there is anther place in the Book of Mormon where there is only one survivor after a massive battle.

Oh wait....


...

Even so, we have two recorded survivors: Ether and Coriantumr.

So....wrong again.


Ether 15:12

12 And it came to pass that they did gather together all the people upon all the face of the land, who had not been slain, save it was Ether.


Since Ether did not participate in the battle I would argue that it makes perfect sense to refer to Coriantumr as the lone survivor "after a massive battle" as Fence Sitter did above and that it should not be interperted as an error.
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Yes, but the Nephites were racist liars. And the population dynamics just don't work without survivors.
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Re: Every single Nephite but ONE?

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Why does the Church proclaim people as the descendants of the Lamanites?

The Lamanites were a wicked and loathsome people, yet they won and the Church now claims that ancestry as something faith affirming.
Why aren't people descendants of the Nephites....
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Re: Every single Nephite but ONE?

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Having two survivors is definitely far less ridiculous than just one.
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Re: Every single Nephite but ONE?

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Sammy Jankins wrote:
Since Ether did not participate in the battle I would argue that it makes perfect sense to refer to Coriantumr as the lone survivor "after a massive battle" as Fence Sitter did above and that it should not be interperted as an error.


Hey I readily admit to forgetting about Ether. It is nice to have Nehor back pointing out such important differences, though if I remember correctly, he used to be a lot more entertaining when doing so.
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