Benson blows Monson's Arthur Patton tale out of the water

[_Bazooka]

It would carry a little more gravitas if he actually could verify the status of the Mr. Patton.

I agree with this.

[Guest]

You know, after reading this thread, I find myself wondering if I have logged into MAD by mistake.

Spooky..

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

I don't think it's an unreasonable assumption given that:
1. It is a pre prepared, scripted, talk being screened to congregations across the globe. You could argue that Monson scripted it all himself but I suspect you are realistic enough to accept that probably isn't the case. I seem to recall some posters on here being used as part of the conference talk writing process.
2. It is something that has the potential to be edited 'post oration' to allow for corrections etc. For instance Packer has had his talk edited etc.
3. The original talk was indeed edited by having a footnote added in. But this edit was done in such a way as to allow the errors to stand.

I was commenting on your "team of speech writers and fact checkers" comments.

I then provided you with a link giving you an idea what I thought was more realistic. I'm not sure you bothered to click on it, apparently.

Do you by chance have any names that you can associate with his "team of speech writers and fact checkers", or perhaps identify a branch dedicated to that sort of task HQ'd in SLC? If not, then I'll stand by my unsubstantiated notion that he most likely relies on someone tasked with writing stuff for him... Like a speechwriter who is relatively limited in his abilities.

That said, I could probably buy off on a team of speech writers dedicated to the 70, the 12, and the Presidency in toto. I imagine they would be pretty busy either QC'ing submitted speeches by the leadership, or generating speeches for them. It would be interesting to have them identified, and to see what it is they do exactly...

- Doc

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

You know, after reading this thread, I find myself wondering if I have logged into MAD by mistake.

Spooky.

That's odd. This is a board dedicated to open discourse and limited moderation. One would expect ideas to be challenged. The fact that you associate this thread with anything found on MAD is disappointing.

- Doc

[_Fence Sitter]

You know, after reading this thread, I find myself wondering if I have logged into MAD by mistake.

Spooky.

That's odd. This is a board dedicated to open discourse and limited moderation. One would expect ideas to be challenged. The fact that you associate this thread with anything found on MAD is disappointing.

- Doc

Hey Doc,

I agree with the open discourse and limited moderation observation but I just find it is unusual to see so many posters either defending Monson or criticizing someone who is attacking him, here on this board, in one thread. It's not like we have a lot of people here going out of their way to do that.

[_Bret Ripley]

Monson claims to be speaking to the world on behalf of God but apparently God isn't a competent enough editor for him, so Monson has to fall back on human speechwriters who still can't seem to get their stories historically straight. Oh well, such is the bane of false religion.

Verily, ye shall know them by their edits.

For as it is written, in the last days there shall be Pepsi and rumors of Pepsi.

[_Uncle Ed]

Monson has not admitted to any factual errors in his renditions of his Patton fable. He has simply re-baked his latest version to cover over his factual flops in the first, hoping that the faithful flock won't remember the initial rollout and blindly accept the second. There is plenty of hard evidence that Monson was both mistaken and lying, in both versions. The "body" was not in the right place or the right time in either Monson's 1969 first fly-by or in his second 2007 Kamikaze dive.

Close enough, Patton was known to "Tommy" as boys in school know each other. "Close boyhood friend" might be a stretch. But he does have that "Tommy" letter from Arthur's mother. Patton vanishes from human knowledge on a combat ship and TSM paints it as a "casualty of war". So what. The point of the story is that faith in the afterlife Trump's tragedy in this life.

I have felt understanding for your position over the years. To have the highest men in the church manipulate your grandfather like they obviously did is disturbing. Why not point out that with the same depth that you devote to debunking a partial myth?...

[_Shiloh]

This is a non-story.

.... and it makes the Mormon critics look bad.

That pretty much sums up some folk's careers.

[_Shiloh]

Pretty sure Steven Benson is a Mormon apologist here to do someone else's dirty work.

Wrong Ste"v"en. I spell mine with a "ph."

Heehehehehe. I love you Steve. Thanks so much for posting here.

Remember when you accused MrStakhanovite of being a spy on assignment for the LDS Church? Fun times.

You have the stamina of Ron Jeremy and we are all the beneficiaries.

[_just me]

Steve Benson, on what date did you put in your order for Patton's military records?