Every single Nephite but ONE?

[_moksha]

Several Nephites fled south where they were reportedly killed or defected. Moroni makes it clear that there were defectors.

So some made it to Sierra Madre with the treasure?

[_Bazooka]

"You're pathetic," said a perpetual virgin who thinks that there really was a group of Bronze Age refugees who left Mesopotamia in a flotilla of wooden submarines and created a vast, advanced civilization in America....

...of which no trace remains.

[_The Nehor]

"You're pathetic," said a perpetual virgin who thinks that there really was a group of Bronze Age refugees who left Mesopotamia in a flotilla of wooden submarines and created a vast, advanced civilization in America.

There are at least four errors in this sentence. Can you find them all?

Hint: Darth J calling himself pathetic is not one of them.

[_Bazooka]

"You're pathetic," said a perpetual virgin who thinks that there really was a group of Bronze Age refugees who left Mesopotamia in a flotilla of wooden submarines and created a vast, advanced civilization in America.

There are at least four errors in this sentence. Can you find them all?

Hint: Darth J calling himself pathetic is not one of them.

I'm struggling to find the fourth....

[_Darth J]

The Nehor, you are angry because you are disregarding the Brethren's inspired counsel about rated R movies. Wickedness never was happiness.

The Prophet Joseph Smith taught that the way one can know a man has repented is he confesses and forsakes his sins. I exhort you to acknowledge that you have set the Bretheren's inspired counsel at naught, and to resolve to be obedient by ceasing to participate in the devilish corruption of rated R movies.

After you have removed this beam from your own eye, we can get back to our discussion of the complete lack of evidence for any of the Book of Mormon civilizations ever actually existing, thus giving some context to your calling stupid all and sundry who fail to believe that Joseph Smith's most famous novel represents actual history.

[_The Nehor]

After you have removed this beam from your own eye, we can get back to our discussion of the complete lack of evidence for any of the Book of Mormon civilizations ever actually existing, thus giving some context to your calling stupid all and sundry who fail to believe that Joseph Smith's most famous novel represents actual history.

That is not what we were discussing though. I do not believe that everyone who disbelieves the Book of Mormon is stupid. I know many smart people who doubt or outright disbelieve. I do believe it is profoundly stupid to mock it while being wrong about the thing you mock. I also believe it is even more shockingly stupid to defend the former stupidity.

This also isn't evidence of the Book of Mormon being discussed. Being incredulous about something is not evidence. Sadly pretty much all this board has ever had is incredulity laced with adolescent sarcasm so I guess you have to work with what you have. I guess dealing with evidence would require hard things like actually reading primary sources and the even more difficult task for many her of being able to understand it if they would actually read it.

So I guess I should just pat you on the head for trying. Good job.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

After you have removed this beam from your own eye, we can get back to our discussion of the complete lack of evidence for any of the Book of Mormon civilizations ever actually existing, thus giving some context to your calling stupid all and sundry who fail to believe that Joseph Smith's most famous novel represents actual history.

That is not what we were discussing though. I do not believe that everyone who disbelieves the Book of Mormon is stupid. I know many smart people who doubt or outright disbelieve. I do believe it is profoundly stupid to mock it while being wrong about the thing you mock. I also believe it is even more shockingly stupid to defend the former stupidity.

This also isn't evidence of the Book of Mormon being discussed. Being incredulous about something is not evidence. Sadly pretty much all this board has ever had is incredulity laced with adolescent sarcasm so I guess you have to work with what you have. I guess dealing with evidence would require hard things like actually reading primary sources and the even more difficult task for many her of being able to understand it if they would actually read it.

So I guess I should just pat you on the head for trying. Good job.

Hello Mr. The Nehor,

Aside from the idea that the Book of Mormon truth claims ought to be self-evident, what hard facts do you possess that could convince the critic and/or non-Believer otherwise?

V/R
Doctor Cameron

[_The Nehor]

Aside from the idea that the Book of Mormon truth claims ought to be self-evident, what hard facts do you possess that could convince the critic and/or non-Believer otherwise?

I never stated that the truth claims should be self-evident. I also do not claim to have hard facts that could convince anyone. Oh, there is evidence for it but not evidence that will convince everyone.

I consider you such a pawn of the devil that I believe you would be very difficult to convince. Well, probably not a pawn of the devil or any of his high-ranking or even middling minions. More likely the pawn of some demon that got spiritually kicked in the head by his mule a few too many times and has been a bit slow ever since.

[_Bazooka]

Aside from the idea that the Book of Mormon truth claims ought to be self-evident, what hard facts do you possess that could convince the critic and/or non-Believer otherwise?

I never stated that the truth claims should be self-evident. I also do not claim to have hard facts that could convince anyone. Oh, there is evidence for it but not evidence that will convince everyone.

I consider you such a pawn of the devil that I believe you would be very difficult to convince. Well, probably not a pawn of the devil or any of his high-ranking or even middling minions. More likely the pawn of some demon that got spiritually kicked in the head by his mule a few too many times and has been a bit slow ever since.

Why shouldn't the truth claims of the Book of Mormon be self-evident?

[_The Nehor]

Why shouldn't the truth claims of the Book of Mormon be self-evident?

Because without spiritual strength and confirmation from testimony outside the facts a simple belief or even conviction that the Book of Mormon is a true account is useless. In fact it is dangerous and damning. It would lead to a spate of baptisms of people uncommitted to the faith.

The Book of Mormon says that when the Book of Mormon (and the Bible) are proven then you can expect the judgements of God to be poured out on the earth for its continued rejection.