Benson blows Monson's Arthur Patton tale out of the water

[_Madison54]

Well smiles and hugs to everyone. Tall tales just don't get me riled up. Attend any LDS fast and testimony meeting and you will hear lots of them. If that is something that really bothers you, then knock yourself out.

I don't know why your posts seem to bring a smile to my face (well...ok...not all of your posts do this). But, when I read your first sentence above, I actually laughed.

I do love a good mystery, riddle, or whatever you want to call this whole Arthur Patton affair. As I wrote above (or a few pages back now), I just sort of looked him up on a whim but then didn't carry it through to the degree that others did. I really enjoyed reading all that the poster named "just me" dug up after my initial findings since I'd pretty much forgotten about it until then.

As far as hearing tall tales go...just attend a BYU Education Week and you'll come home feeling like you've lived a very boring life compared to all the near death experiences and huge faith promoting, tear jerking personal experiences all the speakers there have experienced. I stopped attending this event even as a TBM because I knew it was all BS. I guess they're under pressure to perform and wow all attendees year after year.

Perhaps we shouldn't expect General Conference to be much different....but we do.

[_Kishkumen]

I don't know why your posts seem to bring a smile to my face (well...ok...not all of your posts do this). But, when I read your first sentence above, I actually laughed.

I do love a good mystery, riddle, or whatever you want to call this whole Arthur Patton affair. As I wrote above (or a few pages back now), I just sort of looked him up on a whim but then didn't carry it through to the degree that others did. I really enjoyed reading all that the poster named "just me" dug up after my initial findings since I'd pretty much forgotten about it until then.

As far as hearing tall tales go...just attend a BYU Education Week and you'll come home feeling like you've lived a very boring life compared to all the near death experiences and huge faith promoting, tear jerking personal experiences all the speakers there have experienced. I stopped attending this event even as a TBM because I knew it was all BS. I guess they're under pressure to perform and wow all attendees year after year.

Perhaps we shouldn't expect General Conference to be much different....but we do.

Thank you, Madison54. I am a fan of yours, so this is gratifying. I too am interested in the fate of Arthur Patton, partly because my great-great-great grandfather on my mother's side was briefly spotted by his wife on the banks of the Mississippi after he was thought to be dead. Whether she was mistaken or he had pretended to be dead in order to skip out on the family is another one of these interesting mysteries. Someday I hope to find out the truth of it.

What I am not seeing in Monson's tall tales is a nail in the coffin of the Mormon faith. I get the sense Mr. Benson sees such nails in places I don't generally look for them.

[_Res Ipsa]

I don't know why your posts seem to bring a smile to my face (well...ok...not all of your posts do this). But, when I read your first sentence above, I actually laughed.

I do love a good mystery, riddle, or whatever you want to call this whole Arthur Patton affair. As I wrote above (or a few pages back now), I just sort of looked him up on a whim but then didn't carry it through to the degree that others did. I really enjoyed reading all that the poster named "just me" dug up after my initial findings since I'd pretty much forgotten about it until then.

As far as hearing tall tales go...just attend a BYU Education Week and you'll come home feeling like you've lived a very boring life compared to all the near death experiences and huge faith promoting, tear jerking personal experiences all the speakers there have experienced. I stopped attending this event even as a TBM because I knew it was all BS. I guess they're under pressure to perform and wow all attendees year after year.

Perhaps we shouldn't expect General Conference to be much different....but we do.

Thank you, Madison54. I am a fan of yours, so this is gratifying. I too am interested in the fate of Arthur Patton, partly because my great-great-great grandfather on my mother's side was briefly spotted by his wife on the banks of the Mississippi after he was thought to be dead. Whether she was mistaken or he had pretended to be dead in order to skip out on the family is another one of these interesting mysteries. Someday I hope to find out the truth of it.

What I am not seeing in Monson's tall tales is a nail in the coffin of the Mormon faith. I get the sense Mr. Benson sees such nails in places I don't generally look for them.

Surely you're not saying all Mr. Benson has is a hammer...

[_Shiloh]

Surely you're not saying all Mr. Benson has is a hammer...

He may or may not have a hammer but he is most certainly a tool.

[_suniluni2]

Must be gettin' too hot for Mr. Benson here in the MDB kitchen.

The guy answered most if not all questions thrown at him for several pages in this thread and he's not even a regular poster. I would say he's taken the heat and then some. And making negative references to someone's (dead) grandfather is very classy.

[_Nightlion]

grammar errors in the Book of Mormon
Morons:
D&C 1: 24
24 Behold, I am God and have spoken it; these commandments are of me, and were given unto my servants in their weakness, after the manner of their language, that they might come to understanding.

What was Joseph's manner of language? Pray tell, I go a fishin'.

To be most authentic it had to come out of Joseph AS Joseph. Not a Shakespeare or a Jefferson.

What if the Lord had chosen one perfect in communication skill. It would read TOO WELL DONE and less believable. His strength is manifested in our weakness.

Riddle me back Steve Benson:

How did Joseph get the gospel of Jesus Christ spot on right and perfect in the Book of Mormon when such experience and knowledge did not exist nor was ever heard by a living soul upon the earth for hundreds of years before him and not any years with him?

[_Shiloh]

The guy answered most if not all questions thrown at him for several pages in this thread and he's not even a regular poster. I would say he's taken the heat and then some. And making negative references to someone's (dead) grandfather is very classy.

But making negative references to your OWN dead grandfather is super classy.

You stay classy Ron Burgandy.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Well, I for one look forward to Mr. Benson's follow up to the Arthur Patton exposé three years from now when he copies and pastes Just Me's findings.

All kidding aside...

There is something extremely off-putting about a leader, in any capacity (religious or otherwise), who frames the narrative where he or she is the protagonist. It's even more off-putting when we have to hear how wonderful or heroic they are. Mr. Monson does this. He does it a lot. And it's indicative of poor leadership.

If you have to remind your flock/team/branch/office of all the great and wonderful things you do, then there's something seriously wrong with you.

Welp. I hope Just Me can dig something up... I look forward to it!

- Doc

[_sock puppet]

Riddle me back Steve Benson:

How did Joseph get the gospel of Jesus Christ spot on right and perfect in the Book of Mormon when such experience and knowledge did not exist nor was ever heard by a living soul upon the earth for hundreds of years before him and not any years with him?

Hi, NL. Not SB, but could you give, in point by point listing, each aspect of the gospel of JC that is different in the Book of Mormon than already existed in the readily available New Testament?

[_Bazooka]

Riddle me back Steve Benson:

How did Joseph get the gospel of Jesus Christ spot on right and perfect in the Book of Mormon when such experience and knowledge did not exist nor was ever heard by a living soul upon the earth for hundreds of years before him and not any years with him?

Hi, NL. Not SB, but could you give, in point by point listing, each aspect of the gospel of JC that is different in the Book of Mormon than already existed in the readily available New Testament?

To add: These aspects need to be in the lines of the Book of Mormon, not written between them and discernible only by you.