LittleNipper wrote:I've told you before that the Flood was the result of man's constant sin.
No, it was the result of God sending a deluge to drown humanity. God had a choice.
Even nature reacts to the sins of man ------- even ecologists seem to be aware of corruption, but imagine that man can make it better somehow, and work without prayer to correct things that concern them like global warming and over population. The Bible clearly demonstrates that after the rapture that man will attempt to maneuver things for 3 1/2 or 7 years (depending on one's consideration of Biblical Prophecy). Nature under man's manipulation will only get worse without God.
The simple fact is that EVERYONE might have been saved the very same way as Noah. THEY chose to do their own thing and ignore the warnings. They pointed at Noah's ark and mocked. So, don't play the moralist. It simply doesn't fit your view.
I repeat. God chose to drown humanity, nobody forced Him against His will.
Speaking of floods, are you staying dry over there Bazooka? I hope you are not typing this while sitting in a canoe. If you are, I'm sure it has something to do with you being displeasing to God.
This, or any other post that I have made or will make in the future, is strictly my own opinion and consequently of little or no value.
"Faith is believing something you know ain't true" Twain.
LittleNipper wrote:You do not understand God. God created nature. It would be like saying, that the sun doesn't need to shine so life can now exist on earth. God cannot change His nature. One plus One is Two. And the reality is that all those people were headed for eternal damnation.
You're saying mass murder is in God's nature?
Perhaps because of the FLOOD some even called out to God for salvation and were saved to Paradise ---- we do not know. If there were innocent babies or children at the time of the Flood, they may have been saved to Paradise --- we simply do not know.
You're saying it's possible God murdered innocent people because it's in His nature?
However, the Bible indicates that if God did nothing, EVERYONE would have turned from God and have been eternally lost.
You're saying that God knows how we will turn out in this life, every choice we will make, in advance and so we are empty puppets fulfilling a script that has already been written. In which case we cannot be culpable for any wrong doing because, as you pony out, God knew all along what we'd be like down here.
So, I repeat that by nature God is what He is and does things because of His nature. Where God makes exceptions is where He ALREADY KNOWS that by doing such, things will be corrected and some men will learn.
I get it, you're saying God is a manipulative puppet master who thinks nothing of mass murdering innocents.
That said, with the Book of Mormon, we are not dealing with a civilization with no written record. What we are dealing with is a written record with no civilization. (Runtu, Feb 2015)
Quasimodo wrote:Speaking of floods, are you staying dry over there Bazooka? I hope you are not typing this while sitting in a canoe. If you are, I'm sure it has something to do with you being displeasing to God.
Let's just say there's some whack job down the street chopping down trees, lashing them together and trying to coerce the local wildlife to hop on.....
That said, with the Book of Mormon, we are not dealing with a civilization with no written record. What we are dealing with is a written record with no civilization. (Runtu, Feb 2015)
LittleNipper wrote:...(snip)...God cannot change His nature. One plus One is Two. ...(snip)...
ironically "math" does not occur in nature....it is entirely man made...in other words, 1+1=2 does not exist in nature, completely man-made....equals 2 because we said so....we can actually change the rules so that 1+1=3.275 jus sayin
awkward
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
LittleNipper wrote:God is present; however, those in Hell are not aware of His presence.
That's a very interesting opinion, but I was hoping you'd show me a passage from your Bible that directly addresses this topic and is not open to interpretation.
Do you have anything to back this up? Or is this a new and innovative doctrine you've invented?
Nipper being a good evangelic often makes up the Doctrine as he goes along...it is the "feel good" way.
Psalm 9:17 Psalm 49:13-14 Acts 2:27-31 But perhaps even more to your inquiry...and more blatant 2 Thessalonians 1:9 "They will be punished with eternal destruction, forever separated from the Lord and from his glorious power." (emphasis mine)
LeVay wrote:
LittleNipper wrote:I will talk to you; however, satan offers no salvation. He offers nothing I would be interested in.
What are you trying to say here? Are you saying you'll read my links if I read yours? Or are you one of those entertaining people who wants to do all the talking but never wants to listen?
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
LittleNipper wrote:...(snip)...God cannot change His nature. One plus One is Two. ...(snip)...
ironically "math" does not occur in nature....it is entirely man made...in other words, 1+1=2 does not exist in nature, completely man-made....equals 2 because we said so....we can actually change the rules so that 1+1=3.275 jus sayin
awkward
Actually....you're wrong.
If a penguin stands next to another penguin then they'd be two penguins. Even if you decided to use the numeric symbol '3.275' to express that situation they're aren't any more or any less penguins just because you switched the label. So the quantity does exist in nature, even if the label does not.
*very awkward*
That said, with the Book of Mormon, we are not dealing with a civilization with no written record. What we are dealing with is a written record with no civilization. (Runtu, Feb 2015)
LittleNipper wrote:I've told you before that the Flood was the result of man's constant sin.
No, it was the result of God sending a deluge to drown humanity. God had a choice.
Even nature reacts to the sins of man ------- even ecologists seem to be aware of corruption, but imagine that man can make it better somehow, and work without prayer to correct things that concern them like global warming and over population. The Bible clearly demonstrates that after the rapture that man will attempt to maneuver things for 3 1/2 or 7 years (depending on one's consideration of Biblical Prophecy). Nature under man's manipulation will only get worse without God.
The simple fact is that EVERYONE might have been saved the very same way as Noah. THEY chose to do their own thing and ignore the warnings. They pointed at Noah's ark and mocked. So, don't play the moralist. It simply doesn't fit your view.
I repeat. God chose to drown humanity, nobody forced Him against His will.
And you seem to be choosing to go to hell. God is not sending you there.
LaVey wrote:That's a very interesting opinion, but I was hoping you'd show me a passage from your Bible that directly addresses this topic and is not open to interpretation.
Do you have anything to back this up? Or is this a new and innovative doctrine you've invented?
Nipper being a good evangelic often makes up the Doctrine as he goes along...it is the "feel good" way.
Psalm 9:17 Psalm 49:13-14 Acts 2:27-31 But perhaps even more to your inquiry...and more blatant 2 Thessalonians 1:9 "They will be punished with eternal destruction, forever separated from the Lord and from his glorious power." (emphasis mine)
Just because those in hell are separated from God doesn't mean that He is unaware of them or is not there.
Ruth 2:1-23 Naomi had an in-law in Bethlehem --- a very wealthy man named Boaz. One day Ruth said to Naomi, “Perhaps I can go out into the fields of some kind man to glean the free grain behind his reapers.” Naomi was agreeable. Miraculously, the first field where she found herself belonged to Boaz, a relative of Naomi’s husband. Boaz arrived from town while she was there. After exchanging greetings with the reapers he said to his foreman, “Hey, who’s that girl over there?” The foreman replied that she was the Moabite who came back with Naomi. She asked early if she could pick up the grains dropped by the reapers, and she had been at it ever since except for a few minutes’ rest in the shade.
Boaz went over and talked to her. “Listen, my child,” he said to her. “Stay right here with us to glean; don’t think of going to any other fields. Stay right behind my women workers; I have warned the young men not to bother you; when you are thirsty, go and help yourself to the water.” She thanked him warmly and wondered why he was so kind to her being a foreigner.
Boaz replied that he was aware of know of all the love and kindness Ruth has shown to her mother-in-law since the death of Ruth's husband, and how she left her father and mother to come to live among strangers. Boaz asks the blessing of the Lord God of Israel, under whose wings Ruth has come to take refuge. Ruth is most appreciative. At lunchtime Boaz called to her to come and eat. So she sat with his reapers and he gave her plenty of food. When she went back to work again, Boaz told his young men to let her glean right among the sheaves without stopping her, and to snap off some heads of barley and drop them on purpose for her to glean, and not to make any off color remarks. So she worked there all day, and in the evening when she had beaten out the barley she had gleaned, it came to a whole bushel! She carried it back into the city and gave it to her mother-in-law, with the remained of her lunch.
“So much!” Naomi exclaimed. “Where in the world did you glean today? Praise the Lord for whoever was so kind to you.” So Ruth told her mother-in-law all about it and mentioned that the owner of the field was Boaz. “Praise the Lord for a man like that! God has continued his kindness to us as well as to your dead husband!” Naomi cried excitedly. “Why, that man is one of our closest relatives!”
Ruth told her, “He said to come back and stay close behind his reapers until the entire field is harvested.” Naomi was very happy, “Do as he has said. Stay with his girls right through the whole harvest; you will be safer there than in any other field!” So Ruth did and gleaned with them until the end of the barley harvest, and the wheat harvest also.
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
2 And Naomi hath an acquaintance of her husband's, a man mighty in wealth, of the family of Elimelech, and his name [is] Boaz.
2 And Ruth the Moabitess saith unto Naomi, `Let me go, I pray thee, into the field, and I gather among the ears of corn after him in whose eyes I find grace;' and she saith to her, `Go, my daughter.'
3 And she goeth and cometh and gathereth in a field after the reapers, and her chance happeneth -- the portion of the field is Boaz's who [is] of the family of Elimelech.
4 And lo, Boaz hath come from Beth-Lehem, and saith to the reapers, `Jehovah [is] with you;' and they say to him, `Jehovah doth bless thee.'
5 And Boaz saith to his young man who is set over the reapers, `Whose [is] this young person?'
6 And the young man who is set over the reapers answereth and saith, `A young woman -- Moabitess -- she [is], who came back with Naomi from the fields of Moab,
7 and she saith, Let me glean, I pray thee -- and I have gathered among the sheaves after the reapers; and she cometh and remaineth since the morning and till now; she sat in the house a little.
8 And Boaz saith unto Ruth, `Hast thou not heard, my daughter? go not to glean in another field, and also, pass not over from this, and thus thou dost cleave to my young women:
9 thine eyes [are] on the field which they reap, and thou hast gone after them; have not I charged the young men not to touch thee? when thou art athirst then thou hast gone unto the vessels, and hast drunk from that which the young men draw.'
10 And she falleth on her face, and boweth herself to the earth, and saith unto him, `Wherefore have I found grace in thine eyes, to discern me, and I a stranger?'
11 And Boaz answereth and saith to her, `It hath thoroughly been declared to me all that thou hast done with thy mother-in-law, after the death of thy husband, and thou dost leave thy father, and thy mother, and the land of thy birth, and dost come in unto a people which thou hast not known heretofore.
12 Jehovah doth recompense thy work, and thy reward is complete from Jehovah, God of Israel, under whose wings thou hast come to take refuge.'
13 And she saith, `Let me find grace in thine eyes, my lord, because thou hast comforted me, and because thou hast spoken unto the heart of thy maid-servant, and I -- I am not as one of thy maid-servants.'
14 And Boaz saith to her, `At meal-time come nigh hither, and thou hast eaten of the bread, and dipped thy morsel in the vinegar.' And she sitteth at the side of the reapers, and he reacheth to her roasted corn, and she eateth, and is satisfied, and leaveth.
15 And she riseth to glean, and Boaz chargeth his young men, saying, `Even between the sheaves she doth glean, and ye do not cause her to blush;
16 and also ye do surely cast to her of the handfuls -- and have left, and she hath gleaned, and ye do not push against her.'
17 And she gleaneth in the field till the evening, and beateth out that which she hath gleaned, and it is about an ephah of barley;
18 and she taketh [it] up, and goeth into the city, and her mother-in-law seeth that which she hath gleaned, and she bringeth out and giveth to her that which she left from her satiety.
19 And her mother-in-law saith to her, `Where hast thou gleaned to-day? and where hast thou wrought? may he who is discerning thee be blessed.' And she declareth to her mother-in-law with whom she hath wrought, and saith, `The name of the man with whom I have wrought to-day [is] Boaz.'
20 And Naomi saith to her daughter-in-law, `Blessed [is] he of Jehovah who hath not forsaken His kindness with the living and with the dead;' and Naomi saith to her, `The man is a relation of ours; he [is] of our redeemers.'
21 And Ruth the Moabitess saith, `Also he surely said unto me, Near the young people whom I have thou dost cleave till they have completed the whole of the harvest which I have.'
22 And Naomi saith unto Ruth her daughter-in-law, `Good, my daughter, that thou goest out with his young women, and they come not against thee in another field.'
23 And she cleaveth to the young women of Boaz to glean, till the completion of the barley-harvest, and of the wheat-harvest, and she dwelleth with her mother-in-law.
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subgenius wrote:Nipper being a good evangelic often makes up the Doctrine as he goes along...it is the "feel good" way.
Psalm 9:17 Psalm 49:13-14 Acts 2:27-31 But perhaps even more to your inquiry...and more blatant 2 Thessalonians 1:9 "They will be punished with eternal destruction, forever separated from the Lord and from his glorious power." (emphasis mine)
Just because those in hell are separated from God doesn't mean that He is unaware of them or is not there.
How is it possible to be "forever separated" from your god and yet still be in his presence?
I'm still waiting for a specific passage from your Bible that directly addresses this topic and is not open to interpretation. Or should I interpret your unwillingness to engage this topic as a tacit admission that you've made it all up? Isn't that supposed to be a pretty serious sin?
