Both Saw Angels, Translated Gold Plates, Had Witnesses?????a

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James Jesse Strang (March 21, 1813 – July 9, 1856) was an American religious leader, politician and self-proclaimed monarch who founded the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Strangite),a a faction of the Latter Day Saint movement. A major contender for leadership of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints church during the 1844 succession crisis, Strang vied with Brigham Young and Sidney Rigdon for control of the main body of Latter Day Saints in Nauvoo, Illinois before his rejection by that group led him to start his own sect. While serving as Prophet, Seer and Revelator of his church—which he claimed to be the sole legitimate continuation of the Church of Christ founded by Joseph Smith, Jr. in 1830—Strang reigned for six years as the crowned "king" of an ecclesiastical monarchy that he established on Beaver Island in the US state of Michigan. Building an organization that eventually rivaled Young's in Utah, Strang gained nearly 12,000 adherents[1] prior to his murder in 1856, which brought down his kingdom and all but extinguished his sect.
In contrast to Joseph Smith, who had served as president of his church, Strang taught that Smith's prophetic office embodied an overtly royal attribute, by which its occupant was to be not only the spiritual leader of his people, but their temporal king as well.[2][3] He offered a sophisticated set of teachings that differed in many significant aspects from any other version of Mormonism, including that preached by Smith. To bolster his claims, Strang published translations of two purportedly long-lost works: the Voree Record, deciphered from three metal plates reportedly unearthed in response to a vision; and the Book of the Law of the Lord, supposedly transcribed from the Plates of Laban mentioned in The Book of Mormon. These are accepted as scripture by his followers, but not by any other Latter Day Saint church. Although his long-term doctrinal influence on the Latter Day Saint movement was minimal, several early members of Strang's organization helped to establish the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, which became (and remains) the second-largest Mormon sect. While most of Strang's followers eventually disavowed him, a small but devout remnant continues to carry on his teachings and organization today.
In addition to his ecclesiastical calling, Strang served one full term and part of a second as a member of the Michigan House of Representatives, and assisted in the organization of Manitou County. He was also at various times an attorney, educator, temperance lecturer, newspaper editor, Baptist minister, correspondent for the New York Tribune, and amateur scientist. His survey of Beaver Island's natural history was published by the Smithsonian Institution, remaining the definitive work on that subject for nearly a century,[4] while his career in the Michigan legislature was praised even by his enemies. However, his polygamous lifestyle and sometimes abrasive personality made him many enemies inside his church and out of it, contributing to his ultimate demise.
While Strang's organization is formally known as the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints,a the term "Strangite" is usually added to the title to avoid confusing them with other Latter Day Saint bodies carrying this or similar names. This follows a typical nineteenth century usage where followers of Brigham Young were sometimes referred to as "Brighamites," while those of Sidney Rigdon were called "Rigdonites," followers of Joseph Smith III were called "Josephites", and disciples of Strang became "Strangites".f[5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Strang

[_Bazooka]

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Like Joseph Smith, James Strang reported numerous visions, unearthed and translated allegedly ancient metal plates using the Urim and Thummim, and claimed to have restored long-lost spiritual knowledge to humankind. Like Smith, he presented witnesses to authenticate the records he claimed to have received.[31] Unlike Smith, however, Strang offered his plates to the public for examination. The non-Mormon Christopher Sholes–inventor of the typewriter and editor of a local newspaper–perused Strang's "Voree Plates", a minuscule brass chronicle Strang said he had been led to by a vision in 1845.[32] Sholes offered no opinion on Strang's find, but described the would-be prophet as "honest and earnest" and opined that his followers ranked "among the most honest and intelligent men in the neighborhood."[33] Strang published his translation of these plates as the "Voree Record," purporting to be the last testament of one "Rajah Manchou of Vorito," who had lived in the area centuries earlier and wished to leave a brief statement for posterity. While many scoffed, Strangites assert that two modern scholars have affirmed that the text on the plates appears to represent a genuine, albeit unknown, language.[34] This assertion has not been verified by independent sources, however. The Voree Plates disappeared around 1900, and their current whereabouts are unknown.[32]

Hey why me, there's a number of witnesses to this that maintained their testimony right up to their death.
So you believe them, right?

[_Craig Paxton]

Unlike Smith, however, Strang offered his plates to the public for examination

Strang's claims were credible enough to convince that bulwark of credibility and Book of Mormon witness Martin Harris...who joined up with Strang and even served a mission to England for his new religion.

Here is the testimony of the 4 Strang Witnesses:

On the thirteenth day of September, 1845, we, Aaron Smith, Jirah B. Wheelan, James M. Van Nostrand, and Edward Whitcomb, assembled at the call of James J. Strang, who is by us and many others approved as a Prophet and Seer of God. He proceeded to inform us that it had been revealed to him in a vision that an account of an ancient people was buried in a hill south of White River bridge, near the east line of Walworth County; and leading us to an oak tree about one foot in diameter, told us that we would find it enclosed in a case of rude earthen ware under that tree at the depth of about three feet; requested us to dig it up, and charged us to so examine the ground that we should know we were not imposed upon, and that it had not been buried there since the tree grew. The tree was surrounded by a sward of deeply rooted grass, such as is usually found in the openings, and upon the most critical examination we could not discover any indication that it had ever been cut through or disturbed. We then dug up the tree, and continued to dig to the depth of about three feet, where we found a case of slightly baked clay containing three plates of brass. On one side of one is a landscape view of the south end of Gardner's prairie and the range of hills where they were dug. On another is a man with a crown on his head and a scepter in his hand, above is an eye before an upright line, below the sun and moon surrounded with twelve stars, at the bottom are twelve large stars from three of which pillars arise, and closely interspersed with them are seventy very small stars. The other four sides are very closely covered with what appear to be alphabetic characters, but in a language of which we have no knowledge. The case was found imbedded in indurated clay so closely fitting it that it broke in taking out, and the earth below the soil was so hard as to be dug with difficulty even with a pickax. Over the case was found a flat stone about one foot wide each way and three inches thick, which appeared to have undergone the action of fire, and fell in pieces after a few minutes exposure to the air. The digging extended in the clay about eighteen inches, there being two kinds of earth of different color and appearance above it. We examined as we dug all the way with the utmost care, and we say, with utmost confidence, that no part of the earth through which we dug exhibited any sign or indication that it had been moved or disturbed at any time previous. The roots of the tree stuck down on every side very closely, extending below the case, and closely interwoven with roots from other trees. None of them had been broken or cut away. No clay is found in the country like that of which the case is made. In fine, we found an alphabetic and pictorial record, carefully cased up, buried deep in the earth, covered with a flat stone, with an oak tree one foot in diameter growing over it, with every evidence that the sense can give that it has lain there as long as that tree has been growing. Strang took no part in the digging, but kept entirely away from before the first blow was struck till after the plates were taken out of the case; and the sole inducement to our digging was our faith in his statement as a Prophet of the Lord that a record would thus and there be found.

[_grindael]

Craig,

I think part of the problem was psychological. For example, only Jo could "translate" ancient documents. All his scribes failed when they attempted it. Only Jo's "translations" were approved by the Church as coming from God. The title of "translator" with subsequent prophets is simply part of their title, since no other "prophet" since Jo has attempted to "translate" anything.

Many simply could not believe that Strang could do what he claimed, and they simply thought that those that did, were deluded, like those that followed Hiram Page for a time. Of course this all makes little sense, but it is what it is.

[_Yahoo Bot]

Why are not both of these men’s claims held to the same standard…yet Mormon’s would never give a second thought about dismissing Strang’s claims outright without even given them a fair hearing or consideration. Why?

Both men's claims seem bizarre, why don’t Mormon’s consider them both bizarre as well?

For the same reason people respect the original author of published material but not a plagiarist.

[_Bazooka]

Why are not both of these men’s claims held to the same standard…yet Mormon’s would never give a second thought about dismissing Strang’s claims outright without even given them a fair hearing or consideration. Why?

Both men's claims seem bizarre, why don’t Mormon’s consider them both bizarre as well?

For the same reason people respect the original author of published material but not a plagiarist.

Hi Botty!

[_Sammy Jankins]

For the same reason people respect the original author of published material but not a plagiarist.

That explains why Brigham Young and subsequent prophets never tried to translate ancient documents, because it clearly would have been plagiarism. God never uses the same method to reveal scripture more than once...

[_Yahoo Bot]

For the same reason people respect the original author of published material but not a plagiarist.

That explains why Brigham Young and subsequent prophets never tried to translate ancient documents, because it clearly would have been plagiarism. God never uses the same method to reveal scripture more than once...

Or God didn't ask them to translate ancient documents. God gave the revelation about the Gentiles to Peter, and not to James or Paul.

I could sympathize with the opening post much better if Strang beat Joseph Smith to the formula that worked for Joseph Smith.

Of course, the virgin birth, the ritual sacrifice and atonement were all Mithratic concepts that predated Jesus, so go figure.

[_Everybody Wang Chung]

For the same reason people respect the original author of published material but not a plagiarist.

Kind of like the Book of Mormon and The Late War.........