huckelberry wrote: Jeremiah is the clearest instance of a prophesy coming true..
If you are saying that Jeremiah is the part of the Bible that demonstrates best its divine source, can you be a bit more expansive on what and why etc?
No,I am saying that his prophesy came true, he proposed Jerusalem would fall and it fell. I then pointed out that there were possible explanations for that feat which are entirely natural.
HERE are three types of ceremony incorporated in the practice of Satanic magic.
Each of these correspond to a basic human emotion. The first of these we shall call T a sex ritual.
A sex ritual is what is commonly known as a love charm or spell. The purpose in performing such a ritual is to create desire on the part of the person whom you desire, or to summon a sex partner to fulfill your desires. If you have no specific person or type of person in mind strong enough to cause direct sexual feeling culminating in orgasm, you will not succeed in performing as successful working. The reason for this is that even if the ritual was successful, by accident, what good would it serve if you could not take advantage of your eventual opportunity because of lack of stimulation or desire? It is easy to confuse enchantment for your ulterior motives, with spell‐casting to satisfy your sexual desires.
Enchantment for self‐aggrandizement, when accompanied by ceremonial magic, falls into the category of either the compassion or the destruction ritual, or possibly both. If you want or need something so badly you are sad or feel much anguish without it, without causing hurt on another’s part, then this would incorporate a compassion ritual to increase your power. If you wish to enchant or entrap a deserving victim for your own purposes, you would employ a destruction ritual. These formulas are to be adhered to, as applying the wrong type of ritual towards a desired result can lead to trouble of a complicated nature.
A good example of this is the girl who finds herself plagued by a relentless suitor. If she has done little to encourage him, then she should recognize him for the psychic vampire he is, and let him play his masochistic role. If, however, she has enchanted him frivolously, giving him every encouragement and then finds herself a steady object of sexual desire, much to her dismay, she has no one to blame but herself. Such exercises are only ego boosts, borne of an indoctrination of ego denial which makes these little bewitchments necessary. The Satanist has enough ego strength to use enchantments for her own sexual gratification, or to gain power or success of a specific nature.
The second type of ritual is of a compassionate nature. The compassion, or sentiment, ritual is performed for the purpose of helping others, or helping oneself. Health, domestic happiness, business activities, material success, and scholastic prowess are but a few of the situations covered in a compassion ritual. It might be said that this form of ceremony could fall into the realm of genuine charity, bearing in mind that “charity begins at home.”
The third motivating force is that of destruction. This is a ceremony used for anger, annoyance, disdain, contempt, or just plain hate. It is known as a hex, curse, or destroying agent.
One of the greatest of all fallacies about the practice of ritual magic is the notion that one must believe in the powers of magic before one can be harmed or destroyed by them.
Nothing could be farther from the truth, as the most receptive victims of curses have always been the greatest scoffers. The reason is frighteningly simple. The uncivilized tribesman is the first to run to his nearest witch‐doctor or shaman when he feels a curse has been placed upon him by an enemy. The threat and presence of harm is with him consciously, and belief in the power of the curse is so strong that he will take every precaution against it. Thus, through the application of sympathetic magic, he will counteract any harm that might come his way. This man is watching his step, and not taking any chances.
On the other hand, the “enlightened” man, who doesn’t place any stock in such “superstition,” relegates his instinctive fear of the curse to his unconscious, thereby nourishing it into a phenomenally destructive force that will multiply with each succeeding misfortune. Of course, every time a new setback occurs, the non‐believer will automatically deny any connection with the curse, especially to himself. The emphatic conscious denial of the potential of the curse is the very ingredient that will create its success, through setting‐up of accident prone situations. In many instances, the victim will deny any magical significance to his fate, even unto his dying gasp—although the magician is perfectly satisfied, so long as his desired results occur. It must be remembered that it matters not whether anyone attaches any significance to your working, so long as the results of the working are in accordance with your will.
The super‐logician will always explain the connection of the magical ritual to the end result as “coincidence.”
Whether magic is performed for constructive or destructive purposes, the success of the operation is dependent on the receptivity of the person who is to receive the blessing or curse, as the case may be. In the case of a sex or compassion ritual, it helps if the recipient has faith and believes in magic, but the victim of a hex or curse is much more prone to destruction if he DOES NOT believe in it! So long as man knows the meaning of fear, he will need the ways and means to defend himself against his fears. No one knows everything, and as long as there is wonder, there will always be an apprehension of the unknown, where there are potentially dangerous forces. It is this natural fear of the unknown, a first cousin to the fascination towards the unknown, that impels the man of logic towards his very explanations.
Obviously, the man of science is motivated to discovery by his very sense of wonder. And yet, how sad that this man who calls himself logical is often the last to recognize the essence of ritual magic.
If religious faith can make bleeding wounds appear on the body in approximation to the wounds supposedly inflicted on Christ, it is called stigmata. These wounds appear as a result of compassion driven to an emotionally violent extreme. Why, then, should there be any doubt as to the destructive extremes of fear and terror. The so‐called demons have the power to destroy in a flesh rending manner, theoretically, as much as a handful of nails, long rusted away, can create blood‐dripping ecstasy in a person convinced he is hooked upon the cross of Calvary.
Therefore, never attempt to convince the skeptic upon whom you wish to place a curse. Allow him to scoff. To enlighten him would lessen your chance of success. Listen with benign assurance as he laughs at your magic, knowing his days are filled with turmoil all the while. If he is despicable enough, by Satan’s grace, he might even die—laughing!
A WORD OF WARNING! TO THOSE WHO WOULD PRACTICE THESE ARTS—
Concerning Sex or Lust: Take full advantage of spells and charms that work; if you be a man, plunge your erect member into her with lascivious delight; if you be a woman, open wide your loins in lewd anticipation.
Concerning Compassion: Be resolved that you’ll have no regrets at the expense of the help that you have given others, should their new‐found blessings place an obstacle in your path. Be grateful for things that come to you through the use of magic.
Concerning Destruction: Be certain you DO NOT care if the intended victim lives or dies, before you throw your curse, and having caused their destruction, revel, rather than feel remorse.
HEED WELL THESE RULES—OR IN EACH CASE YOU WILL SEE A REVERSAL OF YOUR DESIRES WHICH WILL HARM, RATHER THAN HELP, YOU!
THE RITUAL, OR “INTELLECTUAL DECOMPRESSION,” CHAMBER
MAGICAL ceremony may be performed by oneself or in a group, but the advantages of each should be made clear.
A A group ritual is certainly much more of a reinforcement of faith, and an instillation of power, than is a private ceremony. The massing together of persons who are dedicated to a common philosophy is bound to insure a renewal of confidence in the power of magic. The pageantry of religion consistently becomes a solitary situation it reaches into that realm of self‐denial which runs concurrent with anti‐social behavior.
It is for this reason that the Satanist should attempt to seek out others with whom to engage in these ceremonies.
In the case of a curse or destruction ritual, it sometimes helps the magician if his desires are intensified by other members of the group. There is nothing in this type of ceremony which would lead to embarrassment on the part of those conducting a ritual of this sort, since anger and the symbolic destruction of the intended victim are the essential ingredients.
On the other hand, a compassion ritual, with its unashamed shedding of tears, or a sex ritual, with its masturbatory and orgasmic overtones, would most likely succeed best if privately performed.
There is no place for self‐consciousness in the ritual chamber, unless that very self-consciousness is an integral part of the role being played, and can be used to good advantage i.e.: the shame felt by a prudent woman serving as an altar, who, through her embarrassment, feels sexual stimulation.
Even in a totally personalized ritual, however, the standardized preliminary invocations and devices should be employed before the intimate fantasies and acting out occur. The formal part of the ritual can be performed in the same room or chamber as the personalized working or, the formal ceremony in one place, the personal in another. The beginning and end of the ritual must be conducted within the confines of the ritual chamber containing the symbolic devices (altar, chalice, etc.).
The formalized beginning and end of the ceremony acts as a dogmatic, anti‐intellectual device, the purpose of which is to disassociate the activities and frame of reference of the outside world from that of the ritual chamber, where the whole will must be employed. This facet of the ceremony is most important to the intellectual, as he especially requires the “decompression chamber” effect of the chants, bells, candles, and other trappings, before he can put his pure and willful desires to work for himself, in the projection and utilization of his imagery.
The “intellectual decompression chamber” of the Satanic temple might be considered a training school for temporary ignorance, as are ALL religious services! The difference is that the Satanist KNOWS he is practicing a form of contrived ignorance in order to expand his will, whereas another religionist doesn’t—or if he does know, he practices that form of self-deceit which forbids such recognition. His ego is already too shaky from his religious inculcation to allow himself to admit to such a thing as self‐imposed ignorance!
LeVay wrote:There is no place for self‐consciousness in the ritual chamber, unless that very self-consciousness is an integral part of the role being played, and can be used to good advantage i.e.: the shame felt by a prudent woman serving as an altar, who, through her embarrassment, feels sexual stimulation.
At that time of movie You can see Teri Tordai - who is (was... she is now 72...) a sex symbol in German-speaking countries as well as Italy --- and here in Hungary.
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- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco - To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
huckelberry wrote:No,I am saying that his prophesy came true, he proposed Jerusalem would fall and it fell. I then pointed out that there were possible explanations for that feat which are entirely natural.
In which case, I don't understand your point. Is there anything about the Bible which, uniquely, suggests it has divine providence?
That said, with the Book of Mormon, we are not dealing with a civilization with no written record. What we are dealing with is a written record with no civilization. (Runtu, Feb 2015)
huckelberry wrote:No,I am saying that his prophesy came true, he proposed Jerusalem would fall and it fell. I then pointed out that there were possible explanations for that feat which are entirely natural.
In which case, I don't understand your point. Is there anything about the Bible which, uniquely, suggests it has divine providence?
Bazooka, you must be fairly convinced that I am out to show you are wrong for you to miss my answer. But it is simple enough to repeat.
No.
The Bible is the record of human thoughts and human experience. It is words and concepts formed by human minds to express their understanding. It is written by human hands and transmitted by human means.
I am a bit tempted to ask what in the world you are looking for, Divine Providence?
I feel inclined to add a bit but must start by promising that in mentioning these things I am not attempting to push you to believe something you do not. The Christian faith is not based upon the Bible. The Bible is not its source or foundation. The foundation is the life words death and resurrection of Jesus. Upon that foundation is built the witness of the people he chose as apostles . That witness grows into the faith of the communities founded in the first century which continue to this day. The foundation is that living body. The Bible is a record of those experiences and is an assistant to them. It has been the experience of the church that the Holy Spirit uses the scripture to grow faith. Outside of these , community of faith and Holy Spirit the Bible is a human book like millions of other human books.
huckelberry wrote:The Christian faith is not based upon the Bible. The Bible is not its source or foundation. The foundation is the life words death and resurrection of Jesus. Upon that foundation is built the witness of the people he chose as apostles . That witness grows into the faith of the communities founded in the first century which continue to this day. The foundation is that living body. The Bible is a record of those experiences and is an assistant to them. It has been the experience of the church that the Holy Spirit uses the scripture to grow faith. Outside of these , community of faith and Holy Spirit the Bible is a human book like millions of other human books.
When you say 'Holy Spirit' what do you mean?
That said, with the Book of Mormon, we are not dealing with a civilization with no written record. What we are dealing with is a written record with no civilization. (Runtu, Feb 2015)
1 Samuel 27:1-12 David imagined that sooner or later, Saul would capture him. So David escaped to Philistine country. Saul will give up and quit searching every nook and cranny of Israel. So David left; he and his 600 men went to Achish son of Maoch, king of Gath. They moved in and settled down in Gath, with Achish. Each man brought his family; David brought his two wives, Ahinoam of Jezreel and Abigail, widow of Nabal of Carmel. When Saul was told that David had escaped to Gath, he called off the hunt.
David said to Achish, “If it’s agreeable to you, assign me a place in one of the rural villages. It doesn’t seem right that I, your mere servant, should be taking up space in the royal city.” Achish assigned him Ziklag. (This is how Ziklag got to be what it is now, a city of the kings of Judah.) David lived in Philistine country for a year and four months. From time to time David and his men raided the Geshurites, the Girzites, and the Amalekites—these people were longtime inhabitants of the land stretching toward Shur and on to Egypt. When David raided an area he killed everyone, but took everything else: sheep, cattle, donkeys, camels, clothing—the works. Then he’d return to Achish who would ask, “And whom did you raid today?”
David would tell him, “Oh, the Negev of Judah,” or “The Negev of Jerahmeel,” or “The Negev of the Kenites.” He never left a single person alive lest one show up in Gath and report what David had really been doing. This is the way David operated all the time he lived in Philistine country. Achish came to trust David completely. He thought, “He’s made himself so repugnant to his people that he’ll be in my camp forever.”
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
1 And David saith unto his heart, `Now am I consumed one day by the hand of Saul; there is nothing for me better than that I diligently escape unto the land of the Philistines, and Saul hath been despairing of me -- of seeking me any more in all the border of Israel, and I have escaped out of his hand.'
2 And David riseth, and passeth over, he and six hundred men who [are] with him, unto Achish son of Maoch king of Gath;
3 and David dwelleth with Achish in Gath, he and his men, each one with his household, [even] David and his two wives, Ahinoam the Jezreelitess, and Abigail wife of Nabal the Carmelitess.
4 And it is declared to Saul that David hath fled to Gath, and he hath not added any more to seek him.
5 And David saith unto Achish, `If, I pray thee, I have found grace in thine eyes, they give to me a place in one of the cities of the field, and I dwell there, yea, why doth thy servant dwell in the royal city with thee?'
6 And Achish giveth to him in that day Ziklag, therefore hath Ziklag been to the kings of Judah till this day.
7 And the number of the days which David hath dwelt in the field of the Philistines [is] days and four months;
8 and David goeth up and his men, and they push unto the Geshurite, and the Gerizite, and the Amalekite, (for they are inhabitants of the land from of old), as thou comest in to Shur and unto the land of Egypt,
9 and David hath smitten the land, and doth not keep alive man and woman, and hath taken sheep, and oxen, and asses, and camels, and garments, and turneth back, and cometh in unto Achish.
10 And Achish saith, `Whither have ye pushed to-day?' and David saith, `Against the south of Judah, and against the south of the Jerahmeelite, and unto the south of the Kenite.'
11 Neither man nor woman doth David keep alive, to bring in [word] to Gath, saying, `Lest they declare [it] against us, saying, Thus hath David done, and thus [is] his custom all the days that he hath dwelt in the fields of the Philistines.'
12 And Achish believeth in David, saying, `He hath made himself utterly abhorred among his people, in Israel, and hath been to me for a servant age-during.'
huckelberry wrote:The foundation is the life words death and resurrection of Jesus.
I must beg to differ. The true basis of Christianity is the belief that we inhabit a reality filled with magical, supernatural phenomena akin to Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings.
Your belief in a supernatural god is predicated on your belief in the existence of dramatic & spectacular supernatural phenomena.
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I pray thee, sir, forgive me for the mess. And whether I shot first, I'll not confess. --Han Solo, from William Shakespeare's Star Wars
THE INGREDIENTS USED IN THE PERFORMANCE OF Satanic MAGIC
A. Desire
HE first ingredient in the performance of a ritual is desire, otherwise known as motivation, temptation, or emotional persuasion. If you do not truly desire any T end result, you should not attempt to perform a working.
There is no such thing as a “practice” working, and the only way that a magician could do “tricks” such as moving inanimate objects, would be to have a strong emotional need to do so. It is true that if the magician wishes to gain power through impressing others with his feats of magic, he must produce tangible proof of his ability. The Satanic concept of magic, however, fails to find gratification in the proving of magical prowess.
The Satanist performs his ritual to insure the outcome of his desires, and he would not waste his time nor force of will on something so inconclusive as rolling a pencil off a table, etc. through the application of magic. The amount of energy needed to levitate a teacup (genuinely) would be of sufficient force to place an idea in a group of people’s heads halfway across the earth, in turn, motivating them in accordance with your will. The Satanist knows that even if you succeeded in lifting the teacup from the table, it would be assumed that trickery was used anyway. Therefore, if the Satanist wants to float objects in mid‐air, he uses wires, mirrors, or other devices, and saves his force for self‐aggrandizement. All “gifted” mediums and white‐light mystics practice pure and applied stage magic, with their blindfolds and sealed envelopes, and any fairly competent stage magician, carnival worker, or lodge‐hall entertainer can duplicate the same effect—although lacking, perhaps, the sanctimonious “spiritual” overtones.
A little child learns that if he wishes for something hard enough, it will come true. This is meaningful. Wishing indicates desire, whereas prayer is accompanied by apprehension.
Scripture has twisted desire into lust, covetousness, and greed. Be as a child, and do not stifle desire, lest you lose touch with the first ingredient in the performance of magic. Be led into temptation, and take that which tempts, whenever you can!
B. Timing
In every successful situation, one of the most important ingredients is the proper timing.
In the performance of a magical ritual, timing can mean success or failure to an even greater extent. The best time to cast your spell or charm, hex or curse, is when your target is at his most receptive state.
Receptivity to the will of the magician is assured when the recipient is as passive as possible. No matter how strong‐willed one is, he is naturally passive while he is asleep; therefore, the best time to throw your magical energy towards your target is when he or she sleeps.
There are certain periods of the sleep cycle that are better than others for susceptibility to outside influences. When a person is normally fatigued from a day’s activities, he will “sleep like a log” until his mind and body are rested. This period of profound sleep usually lasts about four to six hours, after which the period of “dream sleep” occurs which lasts two or three hours, or until awakening. It is during this “dream sleep” that the mind is most receptive to outside or unconscious influence.
Let us assume the magician wishes to cast a spell on a person who would usually retire at 11 o’clock in the evening, and rise at 7 o’clock in the morning. The most effective time to perform a ritual would be about 5 o’clock in the morning, or two hours before the recipient awakens.
It is to be emphasized that the magician must be at his peak of efficiency, as he represents the “sending” factor when he performs his ritual. Traditionally speaking, witches and sorcerers are night people, and understandably so. What better schedule on which to live, for the sending of thoughts towards unsuspecting sleepers! If only people were aware of the thoughts injected into their minds while they slept! The dream state is the birthplace of much of the future. Great thoughts are manifest upon awakening, and the mind that retains, in conscious form, these thoughts, shall produce much. But he who is guided by thoughts unrecognized is led into situations that will later be interpreted as “fate,” “God’s will,” or accident.
There are other times in each person’s day that lend themselves to the receiving of the will of the wizard. Those times when day‐dreaming or boredom ensue, or when time hangs heavy, are fertile periods of suggestibility.
If a woman is the target for your spell, do not forget the importance of the menstrual cycle. If man were not dulled through his stifling evolutionary development, he would know, as an all‐fours animal knows, when the female was most sexually inclined. Man’s snout, however unsullied by cheap opiates, is not normally equipped to ferret out such tell-tale erotic scents. Even if he were so endowed with such olfactory powers, the object of his quest would most likely “throw him off the scent” through the use of massive doses of perfumery to cover and smother the “offending” effluvium, or eliminate detection completely, by the astringent action of powerful deodorants.
Despite these discouraging factors, man is still motivated to desire or be repelled, as the case may be, by his unconscious recognition of the change in woman’s body chemistry. This is accomplished in the form of a sensory cue, which is olfactory in its nature. To go backwards, in what would amount to a return to the all‐fours animal, would seem to be the best exercise for the conscious application of these powers, but to the squeamish might smack of lycanthropy. There is, however, an easier way, and that is to simply ascertain the dates and frequency of the menstrual cycle of the woman who is your target. It is immediately before and after the period itself that the average woman is most sexually approachable. Therefore, the magician will find the sleep period during these times most effective for the instillation of thoughts or motivations of a sexual nature.
Witches and sorceresses have a much greater range of time in which to cast their spells toward the men of their choice. Because man is more consistent in his sexual drives than woman (although there are many women with equal or even greater lusts), day to day timing is not as important. Any man who is not already drained of all sexual energy is a “sitting duck” for the proficient witch. The time of the year following the spring equinox is the most fraught with sexual vigor in a man, and he asserts himself accordingly; but the witch, in turn, must work her magic stronger, as she will find his eyes will stray.
Should the fearful ask, “Is there no defense against such witchery?” it must be answered thus “Yes, there is protection. You must never sleep, never daydream, never be without a vital thought, and never have an open mind. Then you shall be protected from the forces of magic.”
C. Imagery
The adolescent boy who takes great care in carving, on a tree, a heart containing his and his love object’s initials; the little chap who sits by the hour drawing his conception of sleek automobiles; the tiny girl who rocks a scuffed and ragged doll in her arms, and thinks of it as her beautiful little baby—these capable witches and warlocks, these natural magicians, are employing the magical ingredient known as imagery, and the success of any ritual depends on it.
Children, not knowing or caring if they possess artistic skill or other creative talents, pursue their goals through the use of imagery of their own manufacture, whereas “civilized” adults are much more critical of their own creative efforts. This is why a “primitive” magician can utilize a mud doll or crude drawing to successful advantage in his magical ceremonies. To HIM, the image is as accurate as needs be.
Anything which serves to intensify the emotions during a ritual will contribute to its success. Any drawing, painting, sculpture, writing, photograph, article of clothing, scent, sound, music, tableau, or contrived situation that can be incorporated into the ceremony will serve the sorcerer well.
Imagery is a constant reminder, an intellect‐saving device, a working substitute for the real thing. Imagery can be manipulated, set up, modified, and created, all according to the will of the magician, and the very blueprint that is created by imagery becomes the formula which leads to reality.
If you wish to enjoy sexual pleasures with the one of your choice, you must create the situation you desire on paper, canvas, by the written word, etc., in as overstated a way as possible, as an integral part of the ceremony.
If you have material desires, you must gaze upon images of them—surround yourself with the smells and sounds conducive to them—create a lodestone which will attract the situation or thing that you wish!
To insure the destruction of an enemy, you must destroy them by proxy! They must be shot, stabbed, sickened, burned, smashed, drowned, or rent in the most vividly convincing manner! It is easy to see why the religions of the right‐hand path frown upon the creation of “graven images.” The imagery used by the sorcerer is a working mechanism for material reality, which is totally opposed to esoteric spirituality.
A Greek gentleman of magical persuasion once wanted a woman who would satisfy his every desire, and so obsessed with the unfound object of his dreams was he, that he went about constructing such a wonderful creature. His work completed, he fell so convincingly and irrevocably in love with the woman he had created that she was no longer stone, but mortal flesh, and alive and warm; and so the magus, Pygmalion, received the greatest of magical benedictions, and the beautiful Galatea was his.
huckelberry wrote:The foundation is the life words death and resurrection of Jesus.
I must beg to differ. The true basis of Christianity is the belief that we inhabit a reality filled with magical, supernatural phenomena akin to Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings.
Your belief in a supernatural god is predicated on your belief in the existence of dramatic & spectacular supernatural phenomena.
I am not inclined to believe your statement. I find I can agree to the extent that I see that at least without a person allowing the possibility of God existing then their coming to believe Christianity is unlikely.
However I have a hard time not hearing you claim that I am unable to make any reasonable distinction between stories and the real world. Its as if I read Moby Dick and just up and believe there are whales in the ocean.