The Erotic Apologist wrote:After all Robert E Lee was a gentleman.
He was.
Was he?
He is credited with designing and implementing an effective, but also controversial, systematic strategic bombing campaign in the Pacific theater of World War II.
There is history written by Europeans ...
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- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco - To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
LittleNipper wrote:Sin kills people. People without sin cannot be killed.
A woman has been arrested on suspicion of murder after three disabled children were found dead at a house. The 42-year-old is suspected of killing twin boys, aged three, and a four-year-old girl, who all suffered from life-limiting genetic disorders.
Can you explain what 'sin' these children had committed that enabled them to be killed?
Jesus gave up His spirit. No one took it from him. Jesus said, "Father, into thy hands do I commend my spirit."
You have no idea what Jesus said. You are merely taking the word of someone who wrote a second or third hand account based on their own personal agenda and what they wanted to portray.
Charles Manson will die. LaVey died a relatively young man from his own sin. Sin kills.
Washington: As severe storms swept across South and Central America, at least 35 people were left dead and tens of thousands remained without power even as forecasters downgraded the threat to the eastern half of US.
That said, with the Book of Mormon, we are not dealing with a civilization with no written record. What we are dealing with is a written record with no civilization. (Runtu, Feb 2015)
2 Samuel 13:1-39 Ab′salom, David’s son, had a beautiful sister, named Tamar. Amnon, another son of David, loved her. Amnon was so bothered that he made himself ill because of his sister Tamar; for she was a virgin. It seemed impossible for Amnon to have his way with her. Amnon had a sly friend named Jon′adab, the son of Shim′e-ah, David’s brother. And seeing Amnon said, “O son of the king, why are you so haggard day after day? Will you tell me?” Jon′adab suggested to him to go to bed, and pretend to be ill, and when David comes to see, him say to let Tamar come prepare food in Amnon's sight, and let her feed him. Amnon did pretend to be ill; and when the king came to see him, Amnon did as Jon′adab suggested.
David sent home for Tamar and said, “Go to your brother Amnon’s house, and prepare food for him.” So Tamar went to her brother Amnon’s house, where he was lying down. And she, and made cakes in his sight, and cooked them. She took the pan and emptied it out before him, but he refused to eat. And Amnon said for her to clear the room. Then Amnon said to Tamar, “Bring the food into the chamber, that you may feed me.” Tamar took the cakes she had made, and brought them into the chamber to Amnon her brother. But when she brought them near him to eat, he grabbed her, and said to her, “Come, lie with me, my sister.” She answered him, “No, my brother, do not have sex with me; for fornication is not promoted in Israel; do not do this indecent act. As for me, where could I hide my shame? And as for you, you would be as a letcher in Israel. Speak to the king; he will let us marry.” But he would not listen to her; and overpowered and raped her.
Once through Amnon hated Tanar more than the love with which he had loved her. And Amnon said to her, “Get out.” She said to him, “No, my brother; for it more wrong to throw me out that which you have already done.” But he would not listen to her. He called his young servant and said to throw her out and lock the door behind her. Now Tamar was wearing a long robe with sleeves as was then the fashion for virgin daughters of a king. Tamar put ashes on her head, and rent the long robe which she wore; and she laid her hand on her head, and went away, wailing aloud.
Her brother Ab′salom said to her, “Has Amnon your brother been with you? Remain quiet, my sister; he is your brother; do not take this to heart.” So Tamar dwelt, a devistated woman, in Ab′salom’s house. When King David heard all this, he was very angry. But Ab′salom didn't speak to Amnon, as he hated him.
After two full years Ab′salom had sheepshearers at Ba′al-ha′zor, which is near E′phraim, and Ab′salom invited all the king’s sons. And Ab′salom came to the king, and said, “I have sheepshearers; please, come for a visit with everyone.” But the king said to Ab′salom, “No, we will be a bother.” Then Ab′salom said, “If not, let my brother Amnon come along.” And the king said to him, “Why should he go with you?” But Ab′salom pestered David until he let Amnon and all the king’s sons go with him. Ab′salom commanded his servants, “Note when Amnon’s heart is drunk, and when I say to you, ‘Strike Amnon,’ then kill him. Fear not; have I not commanded you?” So the servants of Ab′salom did to Amnon as Ab′salom had commanded. Then all the king’s sons arose, and each mounted his mule and fled.
While they were on the way, tidings came to David, “Ab′salom has slain all the king’s sons, and not one of them is left.” The king arose, and rent his garments, and lay on the earth; and all his servants who were around rent their garments. But Jon′adab the son of Shim′e-ah, David’s brother, said, “Let not my lord imagine that they have killed all the young men the king’s sons. Amnon alone is dead, by the command of Ab′salom this has been planned from the day Amnon raped Tamar.”
The young watchman saw many people were coming from the Horona′im road by the side of the mountain. Jon′adab said to the king, “See, the king’s sons have arrived; as I've said.” And as soon as he had finished speaking, the king’s sons came, and wept; and the king also and all his servants cried.
Ab′salom fled to Talmai the son of Ammi′hud, king of Geshur, and remaind there 3 years. And David mourned for his son continuously. And the king longed for Ab′salom; for he was comforted about Amnon, seeing he was dead.
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
1 And it cometh to pass afterwards that Absalom son of David hath a fair sister, and her name [is] Tamar, and Amnon son of David loveth her.
2 And Amnon hath distress -- even to become sick, because of Tamar his sister, for she [is] a virgin, and it is hard in the eyes of Amnon to do anything to her.
3 And Amnon hath a friend, and his name [is] Jonadab, son of Shimeah, David's brother, and Jonadab [is] a very wise man,
4 and saith to him, `Wherefore [art] thou thus lean, O king's son, morning by morning? dost thou not declare to me?' And Amnon saith to him, `Tamar -- sister of Absalom my brother -- I am loving.'
5 And Jonadab saith to him, `Lie down on thy couch, and feign thyself sick, and thy father hath come in to see thee, and thou hast said unto him, `Let, I pray thee, Tamar my sister come in and give me bread to eat; and she hath made the food before mine eyes so that I see [it], and have eaten from her hand.'
6 And Amnon lieth down, and feigneth himself sick, and the king cometh in to see him, and Amnon saith unto the king, `Let, I pray thee, Tamar my sister come, and she maketh before mine eyes two cakes, and I eat from her hand.'
7 And David sendeth unto Tamar, to the house, saying, `Go, I pray thee, to the house of Amnon thy brother, and make for him food.'
8 And Tamar goeth to the house of Amnon her brother, and he is lying down, and she taketh the dough, and kneadeth, and maketh cakes before his eyes, and cooketh the cakes,
9 and taketh the frying-pan, and poureth out before him, and he refuseth to eat, and Amnon saith, `Take ye out every one from me;' and they go out every one from him.
10 And Amnon saith unto Tamar, `Bring the food into the inner chamber, and I eat from thy hand;' and Tamar taketh the cakes that she hath made, and bringeth in to Amnon her brother, into the inner chamber,
11 and she bringeth nigh unto him to eat, and he layeth hold on her, and saith to her, `Come, lie with me, my sister.'
12 And she saith to him, `Nay, my brother, do not humble me, for it is not done so in Israel; do not this folly.
13 And I -- whither do I cause my reproach to go? and thou -- thou art as one of the fools in Israel; and now, speak, I pray thee, unto the king; for he doth not withhold me from thee.'
14 And he hath not been willing to hearken to her voice, and is stronger than she, and humbleth her, and lieth with her.
15 And Amnon hateth her -- a very great hatred -- that greater [is] the hatred with which he hath hated her than the love with which he loved her, and Amnon saith to her, `Rise, go.'
16 And she saith to him, `Because of the circumstances this evil is greater than the other that thou hast done with me -- to send me away;' and he hath not been willing to hearken to her,
17 and calleth his young man, his servant, and saith, `Send away, I pray thee, this one from me without, and bolt the door after her;'
18 -- and upon her [is] a long coat, for such upper robes do daughters of the king who [are] virgins put on, -- and his servant taketh her out without, and hath bolted the door after her.
19 And Tamar taketh ashes for her head, and the long coat that [is] on her she hath rent, and putteth her hand on her head, and goeth, going on and crying;
20 and Absalom her brother saith unto her, `Hath Amnon thy brother been with thee? and now, my sister, keep silent, he [is] thy brother; set not thy heart to this thing;' and Tamar dwelleth -- but desolate -- in the house of Absalom her brother.
21 And king David hath heard all these things, and it is very displeasing to him;
22 and Absalom hath not spoken with Amnon either evil or good, for Absalom is hating Amnon, because that he humbled Tamar his sister.
23 And it cometh to pass, after two years of days, that Absalom hath shearers in Baal-Hazor, which [is] with Ephraim, and Absalom calleth for all the sons of the king.
24 And Absalom cometh unto the king, and saith, `Lo, I pray thee, thy servant hath shearers, let the king go, I pray thee, and his servants, with thy servant.'
25 And the king saith unto Absalom, `Nay, my son, let us not all go, I pray thee, and we are not too heavy on thee;' and he presseth on him, and he hath not been willing to go, and he blesseth him.
26 And Absalom saith, `If not -- let, I pray thee, Amnon my brother go with us;' and the king saith to him, `Why doth he go with thee?'
27 and Absalom urgeth on him, and he sendeth with him Amnon, and all the sons of the king.
28 And Absalom commandeth his young men, saying, `See, I pray thee, when the heart of Amnon [is] glad with wine, and I have said unto you, Smite Amnon, that ye have put him to death; fear not; is it not because I have commanded you? be strong, yea, become sons of valour.'
29 And the young men of Absalom do to Amnon as Absalom commanded, and rise do all the sons of the king, and they ride, each on his mule, and flee.
30 And it cometh to pass -- they [are] in the way -- and the report hath come unto David, saying, `Absalom hath smitten all the sons of the king, and there is not left of them one;'
31 and the king riseth, and rendeth his garments, and lieth on the earth, and all his servants are standing by [with] rent garments.
32 And Jonadab son of Shimeah, David's brother, answereth and saith, `Let not my lord say, The whole of the young men, the sons of the king, they have put to death; for Amnon alone [is] dead, for by the command of Absalom it hath been appointed from the day of his humbling Tamar his sister;
33 and now, let not my lord the king lay unto his heart the word, saying, All the sons of the king have died, for Amnon alone [is] dead.'
34 And Absalom fleeth, and the young man who is watching lifteth up his eyes and looketh, and lo, much people are coming by the way behind him, on the side of the hill.
35 And Jonadab saith unto the king, `Lo, the sons of the king have come; as the word of thy servant, so it hath been.'
36 And it cometh to pass at his finishing to speak, that lo, the sons of the king have come, and they lift up their voice, and weep, and also the king and all his servants have wept -- a very great weeping.
37 And Absalom hath fled, and goeth unto Talmai, son of Ammihud, king of Geshur, and [David] mourneth for his son all the days.
38 And Absalom hath fled, and goeth to Geshur, and is there three years;
39 and [the soul of] king David determineth to go out unto Absalom, for he hath been comforted for Amnon, for [he is] dead.
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The Satanist believes in fulfillment of the ego. Satanism, in fact, is the only religion which advocates the intensification or the encouragement of the ego. All other religions on the face of the Earth are concerned only with the dissolution of man’s ego. Only if a person’s ego is sufficiently fulfilled can he afford to be kind and complimentary to others without robbing himself of his self‐respect. Braggarts are very insecure people. We generally think of a braggart as a person with a large ego, but in reality it is his unfulfilled ego which leads to his bragging as a means of satisfying his ego.
To become a Satanist one does not have to “sell his soul to the Devil”. This concept was developed by Christianity to terrorize people so that they would not stray from the fold. It was taught that if you gave in to the temptations of Satan and lived your life in an indulgent manner, you would have to pay Satan with your soul when you died. And what is the soul, as religionists would have it, but a passport to everlasting life? People were led to believe that selling their souls to the Devil meant that they would suffer in Hell for the rest of eternity. This type of ridiculous thinking is what the Christian church has used to keep its parishioners in line. Phrases like “God‐fearing” are indicative of the basis for the Christian religion. It is through such fear that Christianity has been able to exist all these years.
We are no longer supplicating weaklings trembling before an unmerciful “God” who cares not whether we live or die. It has been a popular misconception that the Satanist does not believe in God. This is not so; but we realize that God, by whatever name he is given—or by no name at all, is only the balancing factor in nature and has little concern for any suffering which we may encounter. It has been said that the good die young. The good, by Christian standards, do die young. It is the frustration of our natural instincts that leads to the premature deterioration of our bodies.
When one commits a wrong in other religions, he either prays to God for forgiveness or confesses to an intermediary and asks him to pray to God for his sins. The Satanist feels that confessing to another human being like himself accomplishes nothing and is degrading.
When a Satanist commits a wrong, he realizes it is natural to make mistakes. If we are truly sorry about something, we will learn from our mistakes and not do the same thing again.
There has been much sensationalism regarding the Satanic Church and its views on free love. Free love in the Satanic Church means that a person is free to either be faithful to one person or indulge in his sexual desires with as many others as he feels necessary to satisfy his personal needs. Satanism advocates any type of sexuality which properly satisfies the person’s desires, be it heterosexuality, homosexuality, bisexuality, or even asexuality if you choose—or any of the fetishes pertaining to these. To most people masochism represents a rejection of indulgence. We consider masochism to be an indulgence if any attempt to sway or change the person from his masochistic traits is met with resentment and/or failure.
Satanism does not encourage orgiastic activities or extramarital affairs for those to whom they do not come naturally. Being unfaithful to one’s chosen mate would be very unnatural and detrimental to some people. To others it would be frustrating to be bound sexually to one person without any hope of outside sexual activity. Each person must decide for himself what form of sexual activity best suits his individual needs. To thine own self be true. Self-deceit is intolerable in the Satanic religion.
There are two major holidays in the Satanic religion. These are Walpurgisnacht, which is celebrated on April 30th, and Halloween, October 31st. The solstices and equinoxes are also celebrated as holidays. On these occasions special rituals are performed, and festivities follow.
Part II: Ritual Magic
Ritual magic is a large part of the Satanic religion. The purpose in performing a ritual is to accomplish something that, by other means, could not be done. Ritual magic is a very real power. It utilizes such tools as hypnosis, telepathy, psychology, etc. The type of magic practiced in the Satanic Church is similar to all primitive forms of magic that have been used successfully for centuries, but which have been brought into the contemporary world in a workable way that will relate to the society in which we live.
A Satanic ritual is basically an emotional rather than an intellectual performance. For this reason certain devices and dramatic effects are used. As in stage magic, the art of misdirection is one of the most valuable tools of the ritual magician. By utilizing the following devices the ritual magician can temper his intellectual analysis of the ritual. Therefore he can allow his emotions free reign.
A nude female is used as the altar in Satanic rituals because she represents the Earth mother and is a natural passive receptor for the workings of magic. The devices used in a Satanic ritual are as follows:
• The Chalice, symbolic of the Chalice of Ecstasy, is to be drunk from first by the Priest, then by one assistant.
• The Bell is used to purify the air at the beginning of the ritual and is used as a pollutionary at the end of the ritual.
• The Phallus is a pagan fertility symbol, the symbol of generation or aggression. It is also a non‐hypocritical version of the holy water sprinkler of other religions. The Phallus is used to bless the congregation.
• Candles are symbolic of the light of Lucifer—the bearer of light, enlightenment, burning desire, and the flames of the pit. Candles should be the only light source during a ritual.
• The Sword is symbolic of aggressive force, and is used as an extension and intensifier of the arm the Priest uses to gesture or point. A parallel to this is the pointing stick or blasting wand used in other forms of magical ritual.
• The Gong is used to call up the Powers of Darkness.
The male participants in the ritual should wear black robes. Women should wear the most sexually appealing clothing possible, or all black for older women. The amulet of Baphomet is worn by all participating in the ritual. The color black represents the Powers of Darkness.
Sexually appealing clothing worn by women is stimulating to the male members and intensifies the outpouring of adrenalin energy to ensure a more powerful working.
During a Satanic ritual it is essential to summon up the strongest emotions that will be beneficial to the respective working. The following are examples of this: During a compassion ritual it is necessary for the magician to feel honest sympathy and compassion for the recipient of his working. It is useless to attempt a ritual of this type if the magician cannot truly feel compassion for the person involved. It is all very well and good to tell a person that you will perform a compassion ritual for him, but unless you have the necessary deep feelings for this person and are sympathetic to his situation, the ritual will not be effective. We oftentimes think that we might perform a ritual for a person for whom we really have no concern; but it is a sad but true fact of magic that, if we are not intensely concerned for the person, the ritual will not work. You should be able to shed an honest tear for this person. If this much emotion cannot be felt, it is best not to attempt this type of working. If you are the type of person who excuses his inability to do this by thinking “I am not that emotional” or “I’ve never been able to cry”, then it is high time you learned how.
In a hate ritual in which a curse is to be conjured, a strong feeling of contempt for the recipient of the curse is mandatory. In a ritual of this sort the more vindictive your curse can be, the more powerful your outpouring of hate forces will be. Love is one of the most powerful emotions known to man; the other is hate. Without being able to experience one of these emotions, you cannot fully experience the other. Therefore you must love those who deserve and return your love, but hate your enemies with a whole heart. Half‐hearted hatred is very harmful to a person’s emotional stability. When a person prays for his enemies, he is in reality bottling up his feelings of hatred. He still hates the person; but, being bound by the tenets of his religion, he cannot express the hatred he feels. To pray for your enemies is to buy second‐hand hate, which is of a decidedly inferior quality.
The harboring of unwarranted guilt is very detrimental. We have been taught to feel guilty for all of the things that we most naturally do. Many of us can realize intellectually that it is foolish to feel guilty for these natural acts, but to accept this emotionally is another matter. If you cannot release yourself from guilt, then you should learn to make it work for you. You should act upon your natural instincts and then, realizing that you cannot perform these acts without feeling guilty, revel in your guilt. This may sound like a contradiction in terms, but guilt can often add a fillip to the senses. Adults would do well to take a lesson from children. Children often take delight in doing something they know they are not supposed to. One of the first laws of magic is to turn every disadvantage into an advantage.
The quickest way of traveling between two points is in a straight line. If all the guilts that have been built up can be turned into advantages, then intellectual scraping of the psyche—in an attempt to cleanse it of these repressions—is eliminated. Satanism is the only religion known to man that accepts this rationale [of turning a bad thing into a good thing] rather than that of bending over backwards to eliminate the bad thing.
The Satanist shuns terms such as hope and prayer, as they are indicative of negative thinking. If we hope or pray for something to come about, we will not act in a positive way which will make it happen. The Satanist commands, rather than prays to his god. Positive thinking results in positive actions. Through positive thinking, combined with ritual, we command the forces of nature. We tell ourselves “this will be done, come Hell or high water”, and therefore it is done.
Human beings have personality traits which are either passive or aggressive. Passivity and aggressiveness are tamer terms for masochism and sadism. We are all made up of varying degrees of these personality types. Some of us lean more towards one or the other, but it is rare to find an individual who has equal portions of each of these traits. If a person is basically passive or masochistic, he would be most proficient in the mystic or mediumistic side of Satanism. This type of person is the most natural psychic or medium. Such persons’ very passivity puts them in a position of receptivity.
Since magic is based on positive force, the person who is basically aggressive or sadistic in personality traits will do well as a magician. In the field of magic and Satanism, both passive and aggressive people are necessary. The aggressive person is best suited for sending forces, and the passive or mediumistic person is best utilized as a receptor. Generally a person with a great deal of perception is passive.
Isaiah 14:13-15 13"But you said in your heart, 'I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God, And I will sit on the mount of assembly In the recesses of the north. 14'I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.' 15"Nevertheless you will be thrust down to Sheol, To the recesses of the pit.…
(Zaphon was the most sacred mountain of the Canaanites.)
LittleNipper wrote:(snip) 'I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.' 15"Nevertheless you will be thrust down to Sheol, To the recesses of the pit.…
That's wonderfully ironic, coming from a member of a doomsday cult who's malicious lies have contributed to the wrongful prosecution of hundreds of innocent victims for crimes involving Satanic Ritual Abuse.
Nipper, I'd like to introduce you to Francis and Dan Keller, who in 1992 were wrongly convicted of crimes involving SRA and imprisoned. Dan (age 71) and Francis (age 63) went on to serve 21 years in prison before their convictions were overturned for lack of evidence.
Nipper, I'd like to know what the Evangelical community in general and you in particular have done to make amends to people like Dan and Francis Keller who suffered as a direct result of false rumors of a world-wide Satanic conspiracy.
Nipper, do you feel any remorse at all for your part in the suffering of innocent victims like Dan and Francis Keller?
I think you'll find the following article on the "Satanic Panic" very interesting:
This is obviously the result of the exclusion of encouraged Bible reading, promotion of prayer, and the prohibition of open thoughts of God from public institutions. Not the fault of Christian thinking or worship at all. The Bible clearly teaches that lying is a sin and not a virtue. Humanist practice the rationalization of deeds. The Bible teaches that the means justifies the ends (one will reap what one sows). Humanism teaches that the ends justifies the means (do what you need to, in order to reach the goal). So, if one needs to lie against one's neighbor to put them in jail because one thinks that person is a danger, humanists might just agree. The Bible clearly states that false accusers should now receive the same punishment they would cause others to bear. Will the humanists demand that? I think not.
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LittleNipper wrote:This is obviously the result of the exclusion of encouraged Bible reading, promotion of prayer, and the prohibition of open thoughts of God from Public institutions. Not the fault of Christian thinking or worship at all. (Emphasis mine.)
How is this "obviously" the result of secularism running rampant in public institutions? Do you have anything to back this up? Or is this merely an amateurish and belated attempt at damage control?
Surprise, surprise, there is no divine mandate for the Church to discuss and portray its history accurately. --Yahoo Bot
I pray thee, sir, forgive me for the mess. And whether I shot first, I'll not confess. --Han Solo, from William Shakespeare's Star Wars
LittleNipper wrote:So, if one needs to lie against one's neighbor to put them in jail because one thinks that person is a danger, humanists might just agree. The Bible clearly states that false accusers should now receive the same punishment they would cause others to bear.
No, Nipper, you have it backwards--conservative christians (like you) are the ones responsible for the "Satanic Panic", not secular humanists.
Have you been caught in yet another lie???
Surprise, surprise, there is no divine mandate for the Church to discuss and portray its history accurately. --Yahoo Bot
I pray thee, sir, forgive me for the mess. And whether I shot first, I'll not confess. --Han Solo, from William Shakespeare's Star Wars
Christianity didn't promote "Rosemary's Baby," "The Exorcist," "Poltergeist," etc. Humanistic sensationalists did. It is also interesting to note that the Lawyer told Dan and Francis Keller to skip town (apparently, a poor choice of words taken literally)................. He didn't suggest that they should pray for God's guidance................... So now, are you going to try another ploy or are you going to apologize for throwing dirt on Christianity it is undeserving of? Humanism has been allowed center stage for well over 50 years. Don't blame Christianity for societies shortcomings.