Wife of MP blogs about the missionaries.....

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Re: Wife of MP blogs about the missionaries.....

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MrStakhanovite wrote:
Bazooka wrote:Whilst not disagreeing with you, the fact that she is sharing this type of delicate personal information in the general public domain is a tad insensitive.


Agreed.


And makes her constant "I love these missionaries" ring a bit hollow.
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Runtu wrote:
It's certainly different from my mission. We had at the peak around 270 missionaries in our mission. I can remember 2 missionaries having mental/psychological issues, and one of them was not allowed to leave and was pressured to stay. The other was suicidal and was sent home. I would guess around a dozen missionaries went home for health-related issues, which shouldn't surprise anyone familiar with the living conditions in Bolivia. 4 were sent home for sexual behavior.

So, yes, what she's describing is a much higher incidence of such issues than we saw in Bolivia.

café crema wrote:It seems so odd, what you and your fellow missionaries faced in Bolivia was so much more traumatic, she's writing from Colorado, how awful can it be, yet the depression numbers for you were so much lower. Why the difference?


I won't speak for Runtu here, but I'll throw in my 2 cents. For one thing a foreign mission is a whole different story than a stateside mission. Passports are kept by the MP, you are in a country you are not familiar with, language and culture barriers make it much more difficult to simply get by without having to keep busy to either learn the language, customs or area. Top it off with a country that is poor especially in an area you are at and your problems quickly become more immediate, material and you have much less time for self introspection and are more concerned with the immediate state of being and just getting by followed by the preaching of the gospel.

Having served a stateside mission I can't emphasize enough how easy it is to find time for yourself, to just get into states of mind where you are going over things in your head and afforded the luxury of not having to really worry about things except for missionary work. It's a double edged sword when you don't need to worry about life circumstances, you are living fairly comfortably, and really the only pressing concern is missionary work. Suddenly your failure as a missionary and the missionary forced lifestyle are something that are constantly being reflected on. The problem is compounded when it's much harder to teach and or baptize people because no one wants to listen. Having served spanish stateside and doing about half my mission in english only wards/areas there is a big difference in the amount of people that will even want to talk about Mormonism.

I'm not saying stateside or foreign are harder than the other, simply stated, there are problems that each type of mission face and in my opinion stateside missions tend to allow the missionary the luxury of self introspection, self pity, etc in a far greater way than you would encounter in many poorer foreign missions. Add to that the ease of looking information about the church and problems by going to some public library and using their computers or simply buying your own stuff. Information is far easier to access stateside than foreign. I read nearly all the farms crap while I was on my mission and I wasn't, by any standard, a lazy missionary that was slacking off. It was just really easy to get and I had far different challenges serving stateside that afforded me the comfort of reading that stuff while eating lunch, before bed, during study, etc. When I was done with that I read the actual sources and pretty much lost belief towards the end of my mission.
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sock puppet wrote:
Mayan Elephant wrote:it must be a damn blast out there for the pocatello idaho mission president.

Well, if he went to lunch with Tator and me at Buddy's, he could enjoy good conversation, a beer and an Angie's style pizza.


SteelHead wrote:I miss Buddy's salad......



Sounds like a reunion at Buddy's is well overdue. I am game all the time and available most of the time. Maybe we can get the Mayan Elephant to show and I'd love to meet the Mission president there. More the merrier.

PS I still got to try some Bend micro breweries with cwald.
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Re: Wife of MP blogs about the missionaries.....

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Tator wrote:

Sounds like a reunion at Buddy's is well overdue. I am game all the time and available most of the time. Maybe we can get the Mayan Elephant to show and I'd love to meet the Mission president there. More the merrier.

PS I still got to try some Bend micro breweries with cwald.


I would love to attend this reunion (If y'all would have me?)

Let me know when and I'll do my best to be there! :smile:

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My most depressed time was in the MTC. My dad died a couple of months before I left and I never really dealt with it emotionally. So it all came crashing in during the two months there.

I still had some struggles while serving, but I knew I was probably only 18 hours from the border (I was in Mexico) and if I had to, I could catch a bus and walk across. That gave me some comfort.

I called home and even friends a few times. I did this when I needed to reconnect with home. I knew I wasn't supposed to, but because I had been given permission in the MTC, I guess I felt like I had special dispensation or something. Despite people saying it would make me more homesick, it never did. It was nice to remember that there was something else out there.
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Zim wrote:My most depressed time was in the MTC. My dad died a couple of months before I left and I never really dealt with it emotionally. So it all came crashing in during the two months there.

I still had some struggles while serving, but I knew I was probably only 18 hours from the border (I was in Mexico) and if I had to, I could catch a bus and walk across. That gave me some comfort.

I called home and even friends a few times. I did this when I needed to reconnect with home. I knew I wasn't supposed to, but because I had been given permission in the MTC, I guess I felt like I had special dispensation or something. Despite people saying it would make me more homesick, it never did. It was nice to remember that there was something else out there.


my mission president was not strict about calls home, he was very strict about paying for calls. back then, every second on the phone cost money and we had to reimburse the mission for the calls. the mission president didn't have to say much about the phone calls. if anyone didn't pay their bill, he had the mission accountant send the bill to their bishop or parents. not a lot of drama to it at all. i don't recall ever having many conversations about it. he also would call missionaries and tell them to call home sometimes. if there was something bothering them, or he thought they needed it, he would just tell them to call their families or to send a letter and have the families call them. on holidays he let me call my family in the states and my friends in australia. i do not think he ever thought those calls would slow down or hinder anything he was trying to get done.
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café crema wrote:
And makes her constant "I love these missionaries" ring a bit hollow.


certainly very very condescending. the whole thing comes off as a privileged woman pretending her first-world problems are really serious and not taking into consideration her own part in any of it. does she not see the connection between these rules, these goals, the process, the stress - and the medications?

it is sorta like complaining about her melted hagen daz ice cream, and what a great inconvenience it is for her, without taking into consideration that she left it outside her sub-zero freezer overnight before the maid came to clean her kitchen.
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Runtu wrote:
Jonah wrote:Here is a face/bio to go with the blog -

https://www.LDS.org/church/news/first-p ... ng#murdock

10 children. Wow.


When we lived in Utah, I remember seeing that guy on the commercials for Murdock Hyundai.



Holy Freak! I know Blake. LOL this is too funny that Julie has been blogging about all the crap they've encountered in Denver. He's a good guy but an absolute true believer.
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Re: Wife of MP blogs about the missionaries.....

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In what context is it appropriate for an adult to blog about the private lives and personal struggles of other adults? Is redacting names enough? Should consent be obtained to adequately respect the wishes of those involved?

Would a high school principal or college administrator would be allowed to blog about students this way. Do missionaries deserve less consideration? Have they signed that away?

Would it be appropriate for a counselor who is not anonymous to blog about current patients if he/she doesn't post in real life names?

Would it be appropriate for a member of the clergy to blog like this? A clergyman's wife/husband?

Is it appropriate for a mother to blog about her adult children in this way if she redacts specific names?

On one hand, I think she has probably done a service by sounding an alarm about the realities of missionary life-- sounds like the mission experience could use some remodeling. On the other hand, I think it her choice to blog in this way demonstrates an astounding lack of discretion and knowing that their private experiences could inspire blog entries might discourage struggling missionaries from asking for support. Surely there's a way to communicate the gravity of the problem without telling specific stories about missionaries who are currently in the field who can be identified by other missionaries with internet access, etc.

Reminds me too much of my in-laws and why I live 1,793 miles away. :eek:
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