Servant says...

[_Runtu]

Arians believe Jesus was a creature created by another God. How does Mormonism not teach that?

Really? You think Mormons believe Jesus is a creature created by another God? It appears to me you don't have a very good grasp of Mormon theology.

If Jesus was simply some kind of celestial offspring, as was Lucifer, how do you reconcile that with non-Arianism? If Jesus and Lucifer are brothers, how is Jesus Almighty God?

You just jumped the shark with this one. I can't take people seriously when they trot out the "Jesus and Lucifer are brothers" stuff.

Mormons have redefined the Trinity.

And you've just tried to redefine Mormonism.

In all seriousness, I believe that a religion ought to be judged by what it teaches and practices, not what someone else wants it to be.

[_Servant]

Arians believe Jesus was a creature created by another God. How does Mormonism not teach that?

Really? You think Mormons believe Jesus is a creature created by another God? It appears to me you don't have a very good grasp of Mormon theology.

If Jesus was simply some kind of celestial offspring, as was Lucifer, how do you reconcile that with non-Arianism? If Jesus and Lucifer are brothers, how is Jesus Almighty God?

You just jumped the shark with this one. I can't take people seriously when they trot out the "Jesus and Lucifer are brothers" stuff.

Mormons have redefined the Trinity.

And you've just tried to redefine Mormonism.

In all seriousness, I believe that a religion ought to be judged by what it teaches and practices, not what someone else wants it to be.

Until Mormonism renounces the teachings of Joseph Smith, those teachings stand. I could give you references, but why bother? You know just as well as I do what the cult teaches about Jesus and God. It is not compatible with Biblical teaching - it is straight out of the mind of a 19th century snake oil salesman!

Mormons have a different God: http://www.mrm.org/god-of-mormonism


and Mormons have a different Jesus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziULvdFO1Ys


Sorry, but Mormonism is simply not Christian.

[_SteelHead]

Servant, where is the trinity in the Bible?

Triune christianity isn't christian and won't be till they renounce the nicene creed. So me all!

[_Runtu]

Until Mormonism renounces the teachings of Joseph Smith, those teachings stand. I could give you references, but why bother? You know just as well as I do what the cult teaches about Jesus and God.

Yes, I know what Mormonism teaches, enough to know that your offensive and simplistic caricatures don't represent a serious attempt to deal with what those teachings are.

It is not compatible with Biblical teaching - it is straight out of the mind of a 19th century snake oil salesman!

Get your facts straight. He was a scryer, not a snake oil salesman.

Either way, all religion comes out of the mind of human beings. There is no such thing as a religion that doesn't come out of the mind of fallible humans, unless you are going to tell me that the written word is infallible.

Mormons have a different God: http://www.mrm.org/god-of-mormonism

That you cite the clowns at MRM is another reason not to take you seriously.

and Mormons have a different Jesus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziULvdFO1Ys

Sorry, but Mormonism is simply not Christian.

Sorry, but I can't take you seriously, as the Mormonism you talk about exists only in the minds of these "countercult" folks. You will never reach a single Latter-day Saint until you at least try to understand what they believe and why.

[_Saw Skooh]

What I have learned here:

Necessary criteria to be a "Christian," and therefore to be "saved":

1. Believe that the Bible is complete and contains everything necessary to be saved.

2. Believe in the TRINITY, as defined by 4th century creed.


#1 negates #2, as the Bible failed to specify #2. (In fact, #1 negates #1, as the Bible also failed to specify #1.)

Conclusion: There are no Christians. We are all doomed.

[_Servant]

What I have learned here:

Necessary criteria to be a "Christian," and therefore to be "saved":

1. Believe that the Bible is complete and contains everything necessary to be saved.

2. Believe in the TRINITY, as defined by 4th century creed.


#1 negates #2, as the Bible failed to specify #2. (In fact, #1 negates #1, as the Bible also failed to specify #1.)

Conclusion: There are no Christians. We are all doomed.

The creed is a summary of the Bible.

[_Servant]

Note to self:

If you ever meet someone interested in Christianity, DO NOT, under any circumstance, tell them about this thread!

Ever!



Peace,
Ceeboo

Hi Pal!

That is funny!

It is a strange thread. Despite Servant's disagreeable admonishments to people who are mostly no longer Mormons, we should all thank her for sparking this very interesting discussion.

A reminder that the real problems religions have to deal with are some of it's staunchest defenders (whatever their faith).

Servant has made it unclear which denomination she fully identifies with, but I'll bet that ministers from both of those she attends would ask her to please go and defend someone else.

Actually, I was just told by the CC pastor that he really appreciates me; as far as the Anglicans go, our priest is a personal friend and my husband and I visit him frequently at his ranch. So, this can assure you that I'm not the anathema character you like to portray me as. Maybe you should deal with what I post and the doctrinal themes instead of worrying about how a pastor relates to me. How does God relate to you would be the better question. What kind of relationship do you have with God?

[Guest]

The creed is an example of argumentum ad populum. It is a comttee deciding upon interpretation of the Bible. An othdoxy yard stick 300 years after Jesus. I've yet to see his stamp on it.... Is it "bonafide"?

[_Megacles]

The creeds summarize the teachings of the Bible.

Actually, the creeds have very little to do with the Bible at all. They fit much more nicely as a commentary on social and political beliefs of the time.

Could you show me where the Mormon Articles of Faith appear in the Bible?

They don't need to appear in the Bible. Mormons do not hold the Bible to be the infallible word of God.

[_Servant]

The creeds summarize the teachings of the Bible.

Actually, the creeds have very little to do with the Bible at all. They fit much more nicely as a commentary on social and political beliefs of the time.

Could you show me where the Mormon Articles of Faith appear in the Bible?

They don't need to appear in the Bible. Mormons do not hold the Bible to be the infallible word of God.

They affirm the Trinity and the Deity of Christ and Christ's mission on earth, and His coming again - all of which can be confirmed by the Bible. They don't "appear" in the Bible, obviously. They summarize the teachings found there.