Why are TBM's Afraid to Confront Us Directly?

[_Jesse Pinkman]

Wow. What a reaction. I apologize for making my comment. We all like to brag. I have a complete website dedicated to displaying my resume for business purposes; that's bragging.

You are likely a fine person.

YB

I agree it was a low blow...and an inappropriate reaction...I've edited my original post and this post to remove it...if you wish to remove it from your post...and if pinkman will do the same it will be ether in the wind

Done!

[_Bazooka]

Forgive me for painting with a broad brush but it seems that those who discover our apostasy have a tendency to talk about us behind our backs rather than speaking to us face to face. Why would they do this? Why not just speak to us directly?

Sometimes it seems to me like apostasy in the LDS Church is treated like a contagious disease. Get too close to an apostate and you might catch the disease yourself.

I agree with this. It's certainly a phenomenon that I have witnessed in every ward I've ever participated in.
Ask a challenging or seemingly controversial question during Gospel Doctrine class and likely the following week you will be sat on your own.

[_ldsfaqs]

Forgive me for painting with a broad brush but it seems that those who discover our apostasy have a tendency to talk about us behind our backs rather than speaking to us face to face. Why would they do this? Why not just speak to us directly?

Case in Point:

I have a former mission companion who recently, through word of mouth, discovered that I am no longer affiliated with the church. Rather than calling me to discuss this seemingly shocking revelation, (I’ve been out for over 10 years, but he just discovered it) decided to gain information confirming the rumor of my departure from the church through a mutual friend (a current TBM/closet apostate) who then shared with me that former companion was checking up on me.

This former companion is a successful businessman in Utah. We have mutual business contacts and mutual friends but have not really maintained social contact with each other over the years, other than the occasional mission reunions which I still attend despite no longer being a member. He is very active, served as a bishop and stake president while I served in bishopric and high council…just prior to my departure. He was my senior companion and had a great positive influence on my successful mission experience. I just don’t understand why he would not just pick up the phone and call me directly rather than go behind my back…Help me understand what are they afraid of?

So I've decided to take matters into my own hands and will call my former companion today. I'll return and report once I have more information

Man you people are weird......
It's a common normal practice when someone hear's something about someone that haven't been in contact with for a LONG time, to simply gather information, and if interested or feeling the need, then they contact the person, or simply don't care, they had their curiosity satisfied.

This has nothing to do with "fear", being sneaky or any other moronic thing you people want to call it. It's simply being curious.
And it would be kinda wierd contacting someone out of the blue and saying, "Hay, hear your an anti now, so what's the beaf.....?"
One would be prudent to find out what information they can before hand if they are interested or choose to contact said person.

Man, you people.... :( Offenders for a word.

[_Runtu]

Man, you people.... :( Offenders for a word.

My irony meter just exploded.

[_ldsfaqs]

What is needed, in my opinion, is a desire on the part of both believers and apostates to treat each other as human beings and avoid acrimony as much as possible. Given the reaction of some people on MDDB to my thread, I suspect it will be harder for some people than others.

Point of information to the anti who commonly believes the things just said here......
It is the nature of the anti-mormon (not the one who simply leaves) to have "acrimony" towards the religion, it's people, and it's leaders.
Mormons don't respond negatively to non-believers or any type, until they bring in the acrimony.

When you LIE, distort, falsely degrade a religion, it's people, it's history, it's leaders etc. the anti cannot accuratly and truthfully claim the "Mormon" is the bad guy simply because we are critical of said judgments and the clear immorality of said person.

It's the nature of who you all are. If you don't like "acrimony"..... stop the bigotry.

I don't like a lot of things or people..... but I NEVER lie and distort things to have an opinion even if negative on them.
In contrast, anti's lie about everything concerning the church. Why should Mormons "respect" that??? That's pure bigotry.... and it's why the anti-defamation league condems anti-mormonism.

[_ldsfaqs]

Man, you people.... :( Offenders for a word.

My irony meter just exploded.

I offend the offensive.... It is my duty to stand against bully's, bigots and liars.
If you all don't like it, then stop being a bully, bigot and liar.
I have nothing against people who just respectfully and honestly disagree. Note, lying and misrepresenting is not respectful and honest disagreement.
I've had great discussions with many people who are respectful and honest, but simply don't believe. Sadly, few people exist, because most like the devils perversion and hate better.

[cacheman]

Point of information to the anti who commonly believes the things just said here......
It is the nature of the anti-mormon (not the one who simply leaves) to have "acrimony" towards the religion, it's people, and it's leaders.

I suppose you'd have to define "anti." I don't feel any acrimony towards the church.

Mormons don't respond negatively to non-believers or any type, until they bring in the acrimony.

Sure, just look at your posting history, which is entirely devoid of unprovoked acrimony.

When you LIE, distort, falsely degrade a religion, it's people, it's history, it's leaders etc. the anti cannot accuratly and truthfully claim the "Mormon" is the bad guy simply because we are critical of said judgments and the clear immorality of said person.

Speaking for myself (you were responding to me, so it's safe to say you mean me with these comments), I have never told a lie about the church or falsely degraded the church, its history, leaders, people, and so on. That hasn't stopped you from piling on the hate, though.

There aren't too many apologists I consider "bad guys," but there are certainly some angry and irrational people among them, such as people who constantly call us liars and haters.

It's the nature of who you all are. If you don't like "acrimony"..... stop the bigotry.

There goes the irony meter again.

I don't like a lot of things or people.....

You could have fooled me, as you're usually so full of love.

but I NEVER lie and distort things to have an opinion even if negative on them.

Nor do I.

In contrast, anti's lie about everything concerning the church.

I'm not an "anti." Are you?

Why should Mormons "respect" that??? That's pure bigotry.... and it's why the anti-defamation league condems anti-mormonism.

I don't respect liars. Nor do I respect people who constantly rant about how hateful everyone else is.

[_Runtu]

I offend the offensive.... It is my duty to stand against bully's, bigots and liars.
If you all don't like it, then stop being a bully, bigot and liar.
I have nothing against people who just respectfully and honestly disagree. Note, lying and misrepresenting is not respectful and honest disagreement.
I've had great discussions with many people who are respectful and honest, but simply don't believe. Sadly, few people exist, because most like the devils perversion and hate better.

Do you think I'm a bully, bigot, and liar? If so, give me some examples of my bad behavior so I can improve. All I've ever seen from you is angry ranting about how terrible people like me are, but you never point to anything I've said that fits your hateful accusations. It doesn't matter what I say or do, as you just dump on me for imaginary hatred, bullying, and so on.

I would have a lot more respect for you if I thought you were actually responding to anything I've ever said, but instead you just spill over with anger at everything for no apparent reason.

[_ldsfaqs]

I respond to things you people say all the time, and clearly show why and how they are false, bigoted, etc.

Maybe you need to open your eyes, for you have tunnel vision, if all you see is my "general criticisms" of behavior that 99% of the posts on this forum are made of?
Check my recent posts... There are several SPECIFIC addresses I've made to things people have said.
Enough said.

P.S., I just did it just now.... You made a false statement, I responded to it with the actual truth.

[_Runtu]

I respond to things you people say all the time, and clearly show why and how they are false, bigoted, etc.

So, no examples of my alleged bad behavior.

Maybe you need to open your eyes, for you have tunnel vision, if all you see is my "general criticisms" of behavior that 99% of the posts on this forum are made of?
Check my recent posts... There are several SPECIFIC addresses I've made to things people have said.
Enough said.

You responded to me with a barrage of hate, nothing specific.

P.S., I just did it just now.... You made a false statement, I responded to it with the actual truth.

Let me see if I have this straight: I ask for specific things I've said that have warranted your attacks, and you respond with more attacks and refuse to say anything specific.

Coward.