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[_LittleNipper]

You must be losing it. Franz Ferdinand was the Archduke of Austria (heir to the Austrian throne) who was killed by a Bosnian Anarchist. Austria-Hungary declared war on Serbia on July 28, 1914. The next day, Russia reacted, mobilizing its army. On July 31, 1914, the German Empire gave France an ultimatum: in the case of a war between Germany and Russia, France was to remain neutral. At the same time, Czar Nicholas II was requested – also per ultimatum – to halt the Russian mobilization. When this ultimatum was ignored and the Russian government did not recall its army, the German military issued a declaration of war against Russia. On August 1, 1914, Emperor William II signed the war declaration ---- marking the beginning of what the American historian George F. Kennan (1904 – 2005) described as the 20th century's "seminal catastrophe" – The Great War. As if gripped by madness, Europe's political leaders gave up the continent's relative wealth, stable political relations and cultural hegemony over large parts of the world in the summer of 1914 ---- a tangled web of European ingenuity.

How does this support your bizarre-o claim that the "Allied powers" blamed Germany for the assassination of Franz Ferdinand? Do you even bother to read what these websites say before you cut-and-paste?

The Nazis believed/promoted in a fictitious Aryan Race (hardly of Christian origin) , see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_race

Are you suggesting the vast majority of Germans who were responsible for the Holocaust weren't Christians of one sort or another?

You can blame "Christianity" all you want...

I'm not blaming anybody. I'm simply citing a well-established historical fact. You're taking this way too personally, Nipper.

"...however, the most Protestant Fundamentalist Christian Nation in the world..."

The United States is a lot of things, but it most certainly isn't a "Protestant Fundamentalist Christian Nation". The Bible Belt is not its own nation, no matter what you may think.

...was a vertable haven for Jews from Russia, Germany, Poland, Czechoslovakia, etc. compared to how they were respected everywhere else.

Why are you suddenly trying to change the subject? You're the one who brought up Nazi Germany, not me. You're also the one who made the bizarre claim that the Allies blamed Germany for Franz Ferdinand's assassination. Are you now trying to back away from that claim as well?

I'm going to make an explanation that even you might understand. Let's say Obama visited Serbia. And let's say that both he and Mrs. Obama were assassinated after their motorcade route was changed and a series of seemingly inappropriate procedures were inacted that placed Obama And Mrs. Obama in harms way. And say Serbia refused to cooperate with a USA investigation. Do you imagine that the USA might just declare war on Serbia? If the USA were to be fully exonerated for attacking Serbia under such circumstances, then why not Germany and Austria?

[_LittleNipper]

LN,

What kind of God allows Germans to slaughter 6 million of his chosen people? Were his chosen people occupying land God had given to the Germans?

I think they're only two possible answers:

1) The creature who Nipper calls "god" doesn't exist, or

2) The creature who Nipper calls "god" is a psychic parasite who lives off pain and suffering.

Satan lives off of pain and suffering, and this material world is presently under Satan's control because Satan was able to make man sin. It is only by God through Christ that man has been provided with a second chance to return to the "Garden."

[_The Erotic Apologist]

I'm going to make an explanation that even you might understand. Let's say Obama visited Serbia. And let's say that both he and Mrs. Obama were assassinated after their motorcade route was changed and a series of seemingly inappropriate procedures were inacted that placed Obama And Mrs. Obama in harms way. And say Serbia refused to cooperate with a USA investigation. Do you imagine that the USA might just declare war on Serbia? If the USA were to be fully exonerated for attacking Serbia under such circumstances, then why not Germany and Austria?

What does this have to do with your breathtakingly ignorant claim that the "Allied powers" blamed Germany for Franz Ferdinand's assassination?

Here's your original quote:

I wonder if FS understands that millions of German soldiers and policemen that were actually involved in the everyday indiscriminate killing of people during WW2, like the ones he lists above, and the genocide of 6 million or so Jews were evolutionists? Or that a "modern" atheistic culture allowed the everyday Germans to casually slaughter all those people was created by evolutionary theory coupled with pagan ritualism? Of course all this was fostered by the greed of the Allied powers, who blamed everything on Germany ---- even the assassination of Grand Archduke Ferdinand and his wife.

[_LittleNipper]

I'm going to make an explanation that even you might understand. Let's say Obama visited Serbia. And let's say that both he and Mrs. Obama were assassinated after their motorcade route was changed and a series of seemingly inappropriate procedures were inacted that placed Obama And Mrs. Obama in harms way. And say Serbia refused to cooperate with a USA investigation. Do you imagine that the USA might just declare war on Serbia? If the USA were to be fully exonerated for attacking Serbia under such circumstances, then why not Germany and Austria?

What does this have to do with your breathtakingly ignorant claim that the "Allied powers" blamed Germany for Franz Ferdinand's assassination?

Here's your original quote:

I wonder if FS understands that millions of German soldiers and policemen that were actually involved in the everyday indiscriminate killing of people during WW2, like the ones he lists above, and the genocide of 6 million or so Jews were evolutionists? Or that a "modern" atheistic culture allowed the everyday Germans to casually slaughter all those people was created by evolutionary theory coupled with pagan ritualism? Of course all this was fostered by the greed of the Allied powers, who blamed everything on Germany ---- even the assassination of Grand Archduke Ferdinand and his wife.

[_The Erotic Apologist]

Satan lives off of pain and suffering, and this material world is presently under Satan's control because Satan was able to make man sin. It is only by God through Christ that man has been provided with a second chance to return to the "Garden."

X = the number of innocent lives your god has snuffed out.

Y = the number of innocent lives the devil has snuffed out.

X > Y.

Any more questions?

[_LittleNipper]

I'm going to make an explanation that even you might understand. Let's say Obama visited Serbia. And let's say that both he and Mrs. Obama were assassinated after their motorcade route was changed and a series of seemingly inappropriate procedures were inacted that placed Obama And Mrs. Obama in harms way. And say Serbia refused to cooperate with a USA investigation. Do you imagine that the USA might just declare war on Serbia? If the USA were to be fully exonerated for attacking Serbia under such circumstances, then why not Germany and Austria?

What does this have to do with your breathtakingly ignorant claim that the "Allied powers" blamed Germany for Franz Ferdinand's assassination?

Here's your original quote:

I wonder if FS understands that millions of German soldiers and policemen that were actually involved in the everyday indiscriminate killing of people during WW2, like the ones he lists above, and the genocide of 6 million or so Jews were evolutionists? Or that a "modern" atheistic culture allowed the everyday Germans to casually slaughter all those people was created by evolutionary theory coupled with pagan ritualism? Of course all this was fostered by the greed of the Allied powers, who blamed everything on Germany ---- even the assassination of Grand Archduke Ferdinand and his wife.

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THEY (THE ALLIED POWERS) WENT TO WAR AGAINST GERMANY AND AUSTRIA. THEY BELIEVED GERMANY AND AUSTRIA TO BE IN THE WRONG. THE ALLIED POWERS OBVIOUSLY BELIEVED THAT THE ASSINATION WAS A SETUP TO MAKE AN EXCUSE FOR WAR. THEREFORE, THEY ULTIMATELY BLAMED AUSTRIA AND GERMANY FOR THE ASSINATION THAT LEAD TO THE WAR.

[_The Erotic Apologist]

THEY (THE ALLIED POWERS) WENT TO WAR AGAINST GERMANY AND AUSTRIA. THEY BELIEVED GERMANY AND AUSTRIA TO BE IN THE WRONG. THE ALLIED POWERS OBVIOUSLY BELIEVED THAT THE ASSINATION WAS A SETUP TO MAKE AN EXCUSE FOR WAR. THEREFORE, THEY ULTIMATELY BLAMED AUSTRIA AND GERMANY FOR THE ASSINATION THAT LEAD TO THE WAR.

Wrong. It was the Triple Entente that went to war against Germany in 1914.

[_LittleNipper]

Satan lives off of pain and suffering, and this material world is presently under Satan's control because Satan was able to make man sin. It is only by God through Christ that man has been provided with a second chance to return to the "Garden."

X = the number of innocent lives your god has snuffed out.

Y = the number of innocent lives the devil has snuffed out.

X > Y.

Any more questions?

The only reason anyone has to die is because Adam believed Satan's lie. And Satan KNEW exactly what the result for man would be, and didn't shed a tear.

X=the number of lives Satan takes to hell.
Y=the number of lives God saves.
X>Y

[_LittleNipper]

THEY (THE ALLIED POWERS) WENT TO WAR AGAINST GERMANY AND AUSTRIA. THEY BELIEVED GERMANY AND AUSTRIA TO BE IN THE WRONG. THE ALLIED POWERS OBVIOUSLY BELIEVED THAT THE ASSINATION WAS A SETUP TO MAKE AN EXCUSE FOR WAR. THEREFORE, THEY ULTIMATELY BLAMED AUSTRIA AND GERMANY FOR THE ASSINATION THAT LEAD TO THE WAR.

Wrong. It was the Triple Entente that went to war against Germany in 1914.

Triple Entente, association between Great Britain, France, and Russia, the nucleus of the Allied Powers in World War I. I am now going to return to the Bible discussion/review that you have endeavored to derail.

[_LittleNipper]

1 Kings 12:1-33

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)


1 And Rehoboam goeth to Shechem, for to Shechem hath all Israel come to make him king.

2 And it cometh to pass, at Jeroboam son of Nebat's hearing (and he [is] yet in Egypt where he hath fled from the presence of Solomon the king, and Jeroboam dwelleth in Egypt),

3 that they send and call for him; and they come -- Jeroboam and all the assembly of Israel -- and speak unto Rehoboam, saying,

4 `Thy father made hard our yoke, and thou, now, make light [some] of the hard service of thy father, and his heavy yoke that he put upon us, and we serve thee.'

5 And he saith unto them, `Go -- yet three days, and come back unto me;' and the people go.

6 And king Rehoboam consulteth with the elders who have been standing in the presence of Solomon his father, in his being alive, saying, `How are ye counselling to answer this people?'

7 And they speak unto him, saying, `If, to-day, thou art servant to this people, and hast served them, and answered them, and spoken unto them good words, then they have been to thee servants all the days.'

8 And he forsaketh the counsel of the elders which they counselled him, and consulteth with the lads who have grown up with him, who are standing before him;

9 and he saith unto them, `What are ye counselling, and we answer this people, who have spoken unto me, saying, Lighten [somewhat] of the yoke that thy father put upon us?'

10 And they speak unto him -- the lads who had grown up with him -- saying, `Thus dost thou say to this people who have spoken unto thee, saying, Thy father made our yoke heavy, and thou, make [it] light upon us; thus dost thou speak unto them, My little [finger] is thicker than the loins of my father;

11 and now, my father laid on you a heavy yoke, and I add to your yoke; my father chastised you with whips, and I -- I chastise you with scorpions.'

12 And they come -- Jeroboam and all the people -- unto Rehoboam, on the third day, as the king had spoken, saying, `Come back unto me on the third day.'

13 And the king answereth the people sharply, and forsaketh the counsel of the elders which they counselled him,

14 and speaketh unto them, according to the counsel of the lads, saying, `My father made your yoke heavy, and I add to your yoke; my father chastised you with whips, and I -- I chastise you with scorpions;'

15 and the king hearkened not unto the people, for the revolution was from Jehovah, in order to establish His word that Jehovah spake by the hand of Ahijah the Shilonite unto Jeroboam son of Nebat.

16 And all Israel see that the king hath not hearkened unto them, and the people send the king back word, saying, `What portion have we in David? yea, there is no inheritance in the son of Jesse; to thy tents, O Israel; now see thy house, O David!' and Israel goeth to its tents.

17 As to the sons of Israel, those dwelling in the cities of Judah -- over them reign doth Rehoboam.

18 And king Rehoboam sendeth Adoram who [is] over the tribute, and all Israel cast at him stones, and he dieth; and king Rehoboam hath strengthened himself to go up into a chariot to flee to Jerusalem;

19 and Israel transgresseth against the house of David unto this day.

20 And it cometh to pass, at all Israel's hearing that Jeroboam hath returned, that they send and call him unto the company, and cause him to reign over all Israel; none hath been after the house of David save the tribe of Judah alone.

21 And Rehoboam cometh to Jerusalem, and assembleth all the house of Judah and the tribe of Benjamin, a hundred and eighty thousand chosen warriors, to fight with the house of Israel, to bring back the kingdom to Rehoboam son of Solomon.

22 And the word of God is unto Shemaiah a man of God, saying,

23 `Speak unto Rehoboam son of Solomon, king of Judah, and unto all the house of Judah and Benjamin, and the rest of the people, saying,

24 Thus said Jehovah, Ye do not go up nor fight with your brethren the sons of Israel; turn back each to his house, for from Me hath this thing been;' and they hear the word of Jehovah, and turn back to go according to the word of Jehovah.

25 And Jeroboam buildeth Shechem in the hill-country of Ephraim, and dwelleth in it, and goeth out thence, and buildeth Penuel;

26 and Jeroboam saith in his heart, `Now doth the kingdom turn back to the house of David --

27 if this people go up to make sacrifices in the house of Jehovah in Jerusalem, then hath the heart of this people turned back unto their lord, unto Rehoboam king of Judah, and they have slain me, and turned back unto Rehoboam king of Judah.'

28 And the king taketh counsel, and maketh two calves of gold, and saith unto them, `Enough to you of going up to Jerusalem; lo, thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.'

29 And he setteth the one in Beth-El, and the other he hath put in Dan,

30 and this thing becometh a sin, and the people go before the one -- unto Dan.

31 And he maketh the house of high places, and maketh priests of the extremities of the people, who were not of the sons of Levi;

32 and Jeroboam maketh a festival in the eighth month, in the fifteenth day of the month, like the festival that [is] in Judah, and he offereth on the altar -- so did he in Beth-El -- to sacrifice to the calves which he made, and he hath appointed in Beth-El the priests of the high places that he made.

33 And he offereth up on the altar that he made in Beth-El, on the fifteenth day of the eighth month, in the month that he devised of his own heart, and he maketh a festival to the sons of Israel, and offereth on the altar -- to make perfume.