Keith A. Crandall's Careless DNA Claims
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Starting to see the picture, GrandMoffTarkin?
This, or any other post that I have made or will make in the future, is strictly my own opinion and consequently of little or no value.
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Good Evening Dr. Southerton,
Thanks for the detailed research once again. Unfortunately I don't have much expertise in this area, but one thing I can tell you:
This is all anyone at FAIR cares to know. None of the details in between matter in the least, and Crandell could have cut and pasted the instructions for assembling the landing gear of a 747 rather than do all that research and every apologist at FAIR would have been none the wiser.
Thanks for the detailed research once again. Unfortunately I don't have much expertise in this area, but one thing I can tell you:
Simon Southerton wrote:he claims Middle Eastern DNA has been found in the Maya
Simon Southerton wrote:Keith A. Crandall is a former BYU biology professor with considerable experience in molecular and population genetics.
This is all anyone at FAIR cares to know. None of the details in between matter in the least, and Crandell could have cut and pasted the instructions for assembling the landing gear of a 747 rather than do all that research and every apologist at FAIR would have been none the wiser.
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Quasimodo wrote:Starting to see the picture, GrandMoffTarkin?
Yes. Unfortunately I guess it's a lesson one needs to learn the hard way.
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GrandMoffTarkin wrote:Quasimodo wrote:Starting to see the picture, GrandMoffTarkin?
Yes. Unfortunately I guess it's a lesson one needs to learn the hard way.
All Quasimodo is going to teach you how to do is to make snide comments. He is completely incapable of sustaining an argument or making valid points.
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Tobin wrote:All Quasimodo is going to teach you how to do is to make snide comments. He is completely incapable of sustaining an argument or making valid points.



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Quasimodo wrote:Tobin wrote:All Quasimodo is going to teach you how to do is to make snide comments. He is completely incapable of sustaining an argument or making valid points.
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Tobin wrote:Bad science is trying to misuse science to prove or disprove religious claims. Something that Simon is amply guilty of.
But Crandall gets a free pass does he? Am I not entitled to point out bad science when I see it used to prove a religious claim? The entire reason for my post was to attack Crandall's bad interpretation of science to prove a religious claim. But you don't like that Tobin because it happens to be your religion.
It is abundantly clear that Crandall got the science wrong. The admixed DNA in the Maya is not derived from the Middle East. The Hellenthal study on the same 21 Mayans proves that conclusively.
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Simon Southerton wrote:Tobin wrote:Bad science is trying to misuse science to prove or disprove religious claims. Something that Simon is amply guilty of.
But Crandall gets a free pass does he? Am I not entitled to point out bad science when I see it used to prove a religious claim? The entire reason for my post was to attack Crandall's bad interpretation of science to prove a religious claim. But you don't like that Tobin because it happens to be your religion.
It is abundantly clear that Crandall got the science wrong. The admixed DNA in the Maya is not derived from the Middle East. The Hellenthal study on the same 21 Mayans proves that conclusively.
I didn't say he gets a free pass Simon. As I said, if you are simply offering your opinion, then you should extend Crandall the same courtesy. And if he is mistaken, you are welcome to let him know about the mistake. However, as I said, he is not doing this in a professional scientific setting and it is up to him to correct his statements if he wishes. He is also free not to do so if he so chooses. You shouldn't be drumming up support for censure from his peers.
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Tobin wrote:I didn't say he gets a free pass Simon. As I said, if you are simply offering your opinion, then you should extend Crandall the same courtesy. And if he is mistaken, you are welcome to let him know about the mistake. However, as I said, he is not doing this in a professional scientific setting and it is up to him to correct his statements if he wishes. He is also free not to do so if he so chooses. You shouldn't be drumming up support for censure from his peers.
What scientific setting am I correcting him in? How am I drumming up support for censure from his peers?
How about your read my post before you write this stuff.
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Re: Keith A. Crandall's Careless DNA Claims
Tobin wrote:All Quasimodo is going to teach you how to do is to make snide comments. He is completely incapable of sustaining an argument or making valid points.

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