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Re: Bible verse by verse

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The Erotic Apologist wrote:
LittleNipper wrote:Of course there are differences! The Biblical epic is a true account as provided by God. The Chinese version is a half remembered tale based on an account that has been corrupted over time.
Both are examples of cultural mythology.


LittleNipper wrote:And Noah and the 8 worshippers and the Character for Boat?
Which one? The archaic ideogram (舟)? Or the modern complex ideogram (船)? Neither one says anything about "8 worshippers". Go look it up in the dictionary.


LittleNipper wrote:These hardly seem to be superficial.
Niether the ideogram for chwan(2), nor for jou(1), nor the summary from the Shan(1) Hai(3) Jing(1) say anything about eight people on a boat. Go look it up in the dictionary.


LittleNipper wrote:They are impossible to explain unless one is willing to admit that both the Chinese tale and the Biblical account have the same starting point...
No--you are misrepresenting both the ideograms and what it says in the Shan(1) Hai(3) Jing(1).

In short, you are once again engaging in pious fraud.

Why do some Christians feel they need to lie in order to propagate their beliefs?

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The mark at the top right is "eight."
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The Erotic Apologist wrote:This is a picture of Nu(2) Hwa(3) from the Shan(1) Hai(3) Jing(1).

Does this bear any resemblance at all to the Biblical Noah???

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And since the Chinese confused the story of Noah and the ark, you can't imagine that they may have also confused the story of the Fall of man and the serpent in the mix? Oddly, I continue to see affirmation, where you seem to be entirely in the dark. But you have admitted that you never accepted the biblical Christ. Why not accept Him now?
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LittleNipper wrote:http://www.noahs-ark.tv/chinese/bible-evidences-chinese-language-characters-words-noah-flood-genesis-6-14-zhou-ship-boat-eight-people-icon.jpg
The mark at the top right is "eight."

No, the mark at the top is not "eight". It's an element in a phonetic root. Here is the dictionary definition phonetic root in question:

㕣 (radical 30 口+2, 05 strokes, cangjie input (CR))

a marsh at the foot of the hills
(interchangeable with 湢 沇) name of a river
References
KangXi: page 172, character 9
Hanyu Da Zidian: volume 1, page 570, character 2
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LittleNipper wrote:http://www.noahs-ark.tv/chinese/bible-evidences-chinese-language-characters-words-noah-flood-genesis-6-14-zhou-ship-boat-eight-people-icon.jpg
The mark at the top right is "eight."

No, the mark at the top is not "eight". It's an element in a phonetic root. Here is the dictionary definition phonetic root in question:

㕣 (radical 30 口+2, 05 strokes, cangjie input (CR))

a marsh at the foot of the hills
(interchangeable with 湢 沇) name of a river
References
KangXi: page 172, character 9
Hanyu Da Zidian: volume 1, page 570, character 2

And the design of that element in a phonetic root, appears as the letter eight from ancient origins ---- seemingly long ago assuming another meaning. However, the origin is still founded in the symbol of the number eight. http://www.noahs-ark.tv/chinese/bible-e ... e-icon.jpg
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LittleNipper wrote:And since the Chinese confused the story of Noah and the ark...
The Shan(1) Hai(3) Jing(1) doesn't contain the story of Noah and the Ark. Go check it out for yourself.




LittleNipper wrote:...you can't imagine that they may have also confused the story of the Fall of man and the serpent?
Please provide me with the specific Chines texts that deal with the story of the fall and the serpent.



LittleNipper wrote:Oddly, I continue to see conformation and you seem to be entirely in the dark?
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Says the dude who knows nothing about Chinese and who has probably never studied a foreign language in his life.

Nipper, why do you and certain other Christians find it necessary to lie in order to propagate your beliefs?


LittleNipper wrote:But then you have admitted that you never accepted the biblical Christ. Why not accept Him now?
Sure, I'll do it right now. I accept the Biblical Christ. Happy?
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LittleNipper wrote:And the design of that element in a phonetic root, appears as the letter eight from ancient origins ---- seemingly long ago assuming another meaning. However, the origin is still founded in the symbol of the number eight.
No, it's not. You're basically doing the same thing as someone who claims "god" actually means "dog" because that's what it says when he scrambles the letters.

It's not only disingenuous, but also downright dishonest to scramble words to make them say things that have nothing to do with their intended meanings, whether in Chinese or in English.

Oh and by the way, the archaic meaning for ba(1) "八" is "to divide". (It's basically a depiction of a long stick that has been broken into two smaller sticks.)

You'd know that if you knew how to use a Chinese dictionary.
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LittleNipper wrote:Here is what I see as your problem areas, starting from the bottom.


I don't really care what you think. You've shown many times over you have no competence at all when it comes to linguistics, etymology, exegesis, history, or archaeology.

LittleNipper wrote:How did the fossils fuels (found hundreds of feet below the level of the earths surface) originate?


Anaerobic decomposition of organisms.

LittleNipper wrote:How did they get submerged there if not the result of an oxygen depriving turbulent flood?


They weren't submerged. They're millions of years old, and millions of years of sediment have piled up on top of them. Plate tectonics is also responsible for certain stratigraphic changes. There is not a shred of evidence whatsoever for a widespread turbulent flood. The evidence absolutely unilaterally precludes such a ludicrous notion.

LittleNipper wrote:Coal and oil are mainly the end result of pressure and not oxidation.


Which is what happens when millions of years of sediment collect on top of you.

LittleNipper wrote:Plant and animal residue dissolves, is eaten, dries up and is blown away. It just doesn't remain In in one spot long enough to amount to anything ----------- UNLESS something special happens out of the mundane.


No, what happens is that sediment traps it between strata and it stays there.

LittleNipper wrote:Secondly, did you ever wonder why women were looked upon as a negative connotation?


Because ancient history is almost exclusively patriarchal.

LittleNipper wrote:Adam certainly blamed God for creating the woman. Why two trees and not 3?


Because the early writers chose two.

LittleNipper wrote:There were two trees in the Garden.


There are also two trees in my front yard. So what? None of this changes the fact that the sign means "forest" or "grove."

LittleNipper wrote:The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil (which man was not to touch) and the Tree of Life (which man was driven out of the Garden so as to prevent eating of it, and remaining in an endless state of eternal worsening depravity).

Thirdly, the wheel is not something I considered, because unless the men, horses and chariots were submerged in heaps of mud ----- everything disappears ----- which again brings into question any thoughts that fossil fuels could come about by any means other than a gargantuan cataclysm, such as the Flood/asteroid strike.


You literally haven't the foggiest idea what you're talking about.

LittleNipper wrote:And finally, concerning the boat, as the stereotypical conceptualization of the generic family is two great-grandparents, two grandparents, two parents, and two children. I thought that people once had large numbers of children, and that people died off at very young ages, and that there are parents for both the wife and the husband (the joining of two families). I just see your opinion is a "conceptualization" of how such a Character might have come to be,


No, it's not my opinion. That's a demonstrable fact. That's what the character is understood to represent.

LittleNipper wrote:and not the end all logical absolute. My educated guess is that the ones who came to a non-biblical opinion simply had no knowledge of the Bible or were looking to ignore it and sound more "conceptual."


No, you cannot make an educated guess here. You are not educated in any of these fields. You're just making ignorant assumptions that serve your dogmatism.

LittleNipper wrote:I find the Biblical "conceptualization" far more intriguing.


Of course you do. That doesn't make it any less ludicrous, though.

LittleNipper wrote:And since even linguists are now pretty certain that all language originated from one area,


Utter and complete nonsense. You cannot point to a single example of a publication within the field of linguistics that at all suggests such a ludicrous concept.

LittleNipper wrote:it is likely everyone shared many of the very same "folk" stories that they carried away with them to various parts of this planet.


What astonishingly mindless dogmatism. What grade are you in?
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LittleNipper wrote:In the Genesis account, the ancestry of all the East Asian people can be traced to Shem. Shem means honourable name, which fits well with East Asian cultural values


No, Shem just means "name." It's the generic Hebrew word for "name." Don't waste everyone's time pretending to pontificate on Hebrew etymology.
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LittleNipper wrote:But you have admitted that you never accepted the biblical Christ. Why not accept Him now?


The way you're embarrassing yourself with this nonsense, I wouldn't take this opportunity to ask why anyone here doesn't follow your lead.
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LittleNipper wrote:How did the fossils fuels (found hundreds of feet below the level of the earths surface) originate?

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The Deep Hot Biosphere: The Myth of Fossil Fuels by Thomas Gold and Freeman Dyson.

This was first published during the '80's but it's still worth reading. I wish I knew enough about geology to be able to tell whether Deep Hot Biosphere has been refuted or supplanted by newer findings.
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