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LittleNipper wrote:I only copy and pasted this Chinese linguist...
A linguist??? No--he's a minister, not a linguist.

LittleNipper wrote:You're the one who denounced him without any real evidence.
I've given you no end of evidence demonstrating his (and your) misrepresentations and distortions of the ideograms in question.

LittleNipper wrote:This Chinese man...
This man is from Singapore, you [non-Celestial aspersion deleted]. Did you not even watch your own video???

LittleNipper wrote:...and has studied his field and speaks his language.
What dialect would that be? It certainly isn't Mandarin--that's why he has a Mandarin interpreter with him.

LittleNipper wrote:I simply disagree with your opinion.
The etymologies of the ideograms in question are not a matter of opinion. Do you understand the difference between opinions and facts?

LittleNipper wrote:What he says makes sense...
Since you've never studied Chinese, why should I or anybody else listen to anything you have to say in this matter?

LittleNipper wrote:...and what you say sounds academically conditioned.
Academically conditioned??? What does that even mean?
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LittleNipper wrote:Well, this sounds interesting... http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2 ... 5uH1pVOWCj

I don't know it this is true or a hoax; however, if it is true, evolutionists, agnostics, and atheists certainly will not be saying anytime soon be saying "Where did all the water go? There isn't enough water for such a Flood, etc., etc., etc... Of course, they will find another excuse... I mean, what exactly did Ahab ever learn? The blind are blind.


It's not liquid water.

http://www.firstpost.com/world/deep-underground-water-water-everywhere-but-not-a-drop-to-drink-1570195.html?utm_source=hp-footer

It's not what Ahab learned, but what Herman Melville taught us. Oh wait, maybe you meant that other Ahab.
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Quasimodo wrote:
(as something of no interest ) LittleNipper wrote:Well, this sounds interesting...
It's not what Ahab learned, but what Herman Melville taught us. Oh wait, maybe you meant that other Ahab.
He didn't read Melville. On his bookshelf there are different bibles written in English only - and no more.

Even he doesn't know the Western canon:
See Dante, Homer and Virgil in Raphael's Parnassus fresco (1511), in which the Western canon is visualised
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by the way there are more things in Heaven and Earth that you haven't thought of or dreamed about, Horatio the English speaking world --- you know, where Homer is Homeros and Virgil is Vergilius.
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maklelan wrote:
LittleNipper wrote:Well, this sounds interesting... http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2 ... 5uH1pVOWCj

I don't know it this is true or a hoax; however, if it is true, evolutionists, agnostics, and atheists certainly will not be saying anytime soon be saying "Where did all the water go? There isn't enough water for such a Flood, etc., etc., etc... Of course, they will find another excuse... I mean, what exactly did Ahab ever learn? The blind are blind.


What volume of water would be required to account for the flood? Please be specific.


How flat was the surface of the earth during the Flood? Please be specific. :rolleyes:
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1 Kings 19:1-21 Ahab came home and told Jezebel everything Elijah had done, including the way he had killed all the prophets of Baal. Jezebel sent this message to Elijah: “May the gods strike me and even kill me if by this time tomorrow I have not killed you just as you killed them.”

Elijah was afraid and fled for his life. He went to Beersheba, a town in Judah, leaving his servant there. He ventured alone into the wilderness, traveling all day. He sat down under a solitary broom tree and prayed that he might die. “I have had enough, Lord,” he said. “Take my life, for I am no better than my ancestors who have already died.” He laid down and slept under this tree. But as he was sleeping, an angel touched him and told him, “Get up and eat!” He looked around and there beside his head was some bread baked on hot stones and a jar of water! So he ate and drank and lay down again.

The angel of the Lord came again and touched him and said, “Get up and eat some more, or the journey ahead will be too much for you.” So Elijah got up and ate and drank, and the food gave him enough strength to travel 40 days and 40 nights to Mount Sinai. There he came to a cave, where he spent the night. The Lord asked Elijah what he was doing?

Elijah replied, “I have zealously served the Lord God Almighty. But the people of Israel have broken their covenant with you, torn down your altars, and killed every one of your prophets. I am the only one left, and now they are trying to kill me, too.” “Go out and stand before me on the mountain,” the Lord told him. And as Elijah stood there, the Lord passed by, and a mighty windstorm hit the mountain. It was such a terrible blast that rocks were torn loose; however, the Lord was not in the wind. After the wind the earth shook, but the Lord was not in the quake. And after the earthquake there was a fire, but the Lord was not in the fire.

After the fire there was the sound of a gentle whisper. When Elijah heard it, he wrapped his face in his cloak and went out and stood at the entrance of the cave. And a voice said, “What are you doing here, Elijah?” Elijah answered again, “I have zealously served the Lord God Almighty. But the people of Israel have broken their covenant with you, torn down your altars, and killed every one of your prophets. I am the only one left, and now they are trying to kill me, too.”

The Lord told him, “Go back the same way you came, and travel to the wilderness of Damascus. When you arrive there, anoint Hazael to be king of Aram. Then anoint Jehu grandson of Nimshi to be king of Israel, and anoint Elisha son of Shaphat from the town of Abel-meholah to replace you as my prophet. Anyone who escapes from Hazael will be killed by Jehu, and those who escape Jehu will be killed by Elisha! Yet I will preserve 7,000 others in Israel who have never bowed down to Baal or kissed him!”

Elijah went and found Elisha son of Shaphat plowing a field. There were 12 teams of oxen in the field, and Elisha was plowing with the twelfth team. Elijah went over to him and threw his cloak across his shoulders and then walked away. Elisha left the oxen standing there, ran after Elijah, and said to him, “First let me go and kiss my father and mother good-bye, and then I will go with you!” Elijah replied, “Go on back, but think about what I have done to you.” Elisha returned to his oxen and slaughtered them --- using the wood from the plow to build a fire to roast their flesh. He passed gave the meat to the townspeople to eat. Then he left with Elijah as his assistant.


Young's Literal Translation (YLT)


1 And Ahab declareth to Jezebel all that Elijah did, and all how he slew all the prophets by the sword,

2 and Jezebel sendeth a messenger unto Elijah, saying, `Thus doth the gods, and thus do they add, surely about this time to-morrow, I make thy life as the life of one of them.'

3 And he feareth, and riseth, and goeth for his life, and cometh in to Beer-Sheba, that [is] Judah's, and leaveth his young man there,

4 and he himself hath gone into the wilderness a day's Journey, and cometh and sitteth under a certain retem-tree, and desireth his soul to die, and saith, `Enough, now, O Jehovah, take my soul, for I [am] not better than my fathers.'

5 And he lieth down and sleepeth under a certain retem-tree, and lo, a messenger cometh against him, and saith to him, `Rise, eat;'

6 and he looketh attentively, and lo, at his bolster a cake [baken on] burning stones, and a dish of water, and he eateth, and drinketh, and turneth, and lieth down.

7 And the messenger of Jehovah turneth back a second time, and cometh against him, and saith, `Rise, eat, for the way is too great for thee;'

8 and he riseth, and eateth, and drinketh, and goeth in the power of that food forty days and forty nights, unto the mount of God -- Horeb.

9 And he cometh in there, unto the cave, and lodgeth there, and lo, the word of Jehovah [is] unto him, and saith to him, `What -- to thee, here, Elijah?'

10 And he saith, `I have been very zealous for Jehovah, God of Hosts, for the sons of Israel have forsaken Thy covenant -- Thine altars they have thrown down, and Thy prophets they have slain by the sword, and I am left, I, by myself, and they seek my life -- to take it.'

11 And He saith, `Go out, and thou hast stood in the mount before Jehovah.' And lo, Jehovah is passing by, and a wind -- great and strong -- is rending mountains, and shivering rocks before Jehovah: -- not in the wind [is] Jehovah; and after the wind a shaking: -- not in the shaking [is] Jehovah;

12 and after the shaking a fire: -- not in the fire [is] Jehovah; and after the fire a voice still small;

13 and it cometh to pass, at Elijah's hearing [it], that he wrappeth his face in his robe, and goeth out, and standeth at the opening of the cave, and lo, unto him [is] a voice, and it saith, `What -- to thee, here, Elijah?'

14 And he saith, `I have been very zealous for Jehovah, God of Hosts; for the sons of Israel have forsaken Thy covenant, Thine altars they have thrown down, and Thy prophets they have slain by the sword, and I am left, I, by myself, and they seek my life -- to take it.'

15 And Jehovah saith unto him, `Go turn back on thy way to the wilderness of Damascus, and thou hast gone in, and anointed Hazael for king over Aram,

16 and Jehu son of Nimshi thou dost anoint for king over Israel, and Elisha son of Shaphat, of Abel-Meholah, thou dost anoint for prophet in thy stead.

17 `And it hath been, him who is escaped from the sword of Hazael, put to death doth Jehu, and him who is escaped from the sword of Jehu put to death doth Elisha;

18 and I have left in Israel seven thousand, all the knees that have not bowed to Baal, and every mouth that hath not kissed him.'

19 And he goeth thence, and findeth Elisha son of Shaphat, and he is plowing; twelve yoke [are] before him, and he [is] with the twelfth; and Elijah passeth over unto him, and casteth his robe upon him,

20 and he forsaketh the oxen, and runneth after Elijah, and saith, `Let me give a kiss, I pray thee, to my father and to my mother, and I go after thee.' And he saith to him, `Go, turn back, for what have I done to thee?'

21 And he turneth back from after him, and taketh the yoke of oxen, and sacrificeth it, and with instruments of the oxen he hath boiled their flesh, and giveth to the people, and they eat, and he riseth, and goeth after Elijah, and serveth him.
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LittleNipper wrote:How flat was the surface of the earth during the Flood? Please be specific. :rolleyes:


There was no such flood, and there is no evidence for a sudden and cataclysmic diversifying of the contours of the earth's surface. This is a weak dodge, though. If you're trying to provide scientific evidence that a worldwide flood fits with the available evidence, you need more than just vagaries and assumptions.
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maklelan wrote:
LittleNipper wrote:How flat was the surface of the earth during the Flood? Please be specific. :rolleyes:


There was no such flood, and there is no evidence for a sudden and cataclysmic diversifying of the contours of the earth's surface. This is a weak dodge, though. If you're trying to provide scientific evidence that a worldwide flood fits with the available evidence, you need more than just vagaries and assumptions.


According to you there is no God and Jesus was not the Christ --- if Jesus existed at all. So much for your evidence... :lol:
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LittleNipper wrote:How flat was the surface of the earth during the Flood? Please be specific. :rolleyes:
maklelan wrote:There was no such flood, and there is no evidence for a sudden and cataclysmic diversifying of the contours of the earth's surface. This is a weak dodge, though. If you're trying to provide scientific evidence that a worldwide flood fits with the available evidence, you need more than just vagaries and assumptions.
LittleNipper wrote:According to you there is no God and Jesus was not the Christ --- if Jesus existed at all. So much for your evidence... :lol:


According to you, there is no other authority but the Bible (especially the NIV)
So much for your evidence... :lol:


by the way answering something about flood, are God & Jesus & Christ the proper subjects?

LittleNipper; please; are you live on the same planet as we, others?
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ludwigm wrote:
LittleNipper wrote:How flat was the surface of the earth during the Flood? Please be specific. :rolleyes:
maklelan wrote:There was no such flood, and there is no evidence for a sudden and cataclysmic diversifying of the contours of the earth's surface. This is a weak dodge, though. If you're trying to provide scientific evidence that a worldwide flood fits with the available evidence, you need more than just vagaries and assumptions.
LittleNipper wrote:According to you there is no God and Jesus was not the Christ --- if Jesus existed at all. So much for your evidence... :lol:


According to you, there is no other authority but the Bible (especially the NIV)
So much for your evidence... :lol:


by the way answering something about flood, are God & Jesus & Christ the proper subjects?

LittleNipper; please; are you live on the same planet as we, others?

Jesus is God and Jesus said, "
Matthew 24:37-39

King James Version (KJV)


37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark,

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
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LittleNipper wrote:According to you there is no God and Jesus was not the Christ --- if Jesus existed at all. So much for your evidence... :lol:


No, that's not my position at all. Why do you pretend to be amused when it's abundantly clear to you and to everyone else reading that you're in way over your head and are just throwing everything you can at all the wall in the hopes that something will stick? You're not fooling anyone.
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