New Video by the Church on marriage

[_Jesse Pinkman]

This video, produced by Elder Richard G. Scott, will make even the most cynical cry:

https://www.Facebook.com/photo.php?v=65 ... =2&theater

[_Bazooka]

Is it as good as when he said...
"Most often, the victim is innocent because of being disabled by fear or the power or authority of the offender. At some point in time, however, the Lord may prompt a victim to recognize a degree of responsibility for abuse. Your priesthood leader will help assess your responsibility so that, if needed, it can be addressed. Otherwise the seeds of guilt will remain and sprout into bitter fruit. Yet no matter what degree of responsibility, from absolutely none to increasing consent, the healing power of the atonement of Jesus Christ can provide a complete cure. (See D&C 138:1–4.) Forgiveness can be obtained for all involved in abuse. (See A of F 1:3.) Then comes a restoration of self-respect, self-worth, and a renewal of life."
...in his talk "Healing The Tragic Scars Of Abuse"?

[_Jesse Pinkman]

Is it as good as when he said...
"Most often, the victim is innocent because of being disabled by fear or the power or authority of the offender. At some point in time, however, the Lord may prompt a victim to recognize a degree of responsibility for abuse. Your priesthood leader will help assess your responsibility so that, if needed, it can be addressed. Otherwise the seeds of guilt will remain and sprout into bitter fruit. Yet no matter what degree of responsibility, from absolutely none to increasing consent, the healing power of the atonement of Jesus Christ can provide a complete cure. (See D&C 138:1–4.) Forgiveness can be obtained for all involved in abuse. (See A of F 1:3.) Then comes a restoration of self-respect, self-worth, and a renewal of life."
...in his talk "Healing The Tragic Scars Of Abuse"?

I agree that he misspoke in that statement, but that really doesn't have anything to do with the video. Did you bother watching it? If you would like to discuss this other topic you brought up, I will be happy to do that, but not on this thread. I would like to keep this thread to the topic at hand, which is the video. Thanks.

[_Flaming Meaux]

I'm cynical (or rather, I'd say I have the power of accurate observation which is only called cynicism by those that have not got it) and I did not cry.

Instead, perhaps because I am cynical, I became immediately aware that I was being subjected to HeartSell.

Additionally, I thought, "Geez, that man has not listened to anything the Brethren have said about the proper roles of husband and wife. What the hell is that guy doing baking cookies?? Sure it seems caring and thoughtful and all, but does he not realize he is unwittingly upsetting the Lord's ETERNAL order of gender roles? It's right there in the Proclamation to the Family for God's sake!! It's kind of like those poor Israelites who were only trying to be helpful when they steadied the Ark. God doesn't put up with people falling outside of his prescribed roles, no matter how well intentioned they may be."

This made me sort of sad that the man was clearly just trying to be a good husband and a thoughtful committed human, and that he would only realize later, when it was too late, that by his actions he had drunk damnation to his soul. That almost elicited a tear, but then my Mormon upbringing kicked in and helped me to realize that sometimes God damns people for their own good, out of love, because they really wouldn't truly be happy in the Celestial kingdom where they have to follow all the rules. So--no tear.

Is that more the response you were looking for?

[_Sammy Jankins]

Well call me a cynic I guess. In this case it's not about the church though. I really don't really like when anyone tries to invoke emotions that are unrelated to promote a cause or a product. You see it frequently in advertising and it bothers me every time.
It would be funny though if someone remade this commercial with two elderly gay people. Then used the same quotes and music.

[_Jesse Pinkman]

I really don't really like when anyone tries to invoke emotions that are unrelated to promote a cause or a product.

Would you think this is the case if the video was produced by a Church other than the LDS Church? If this was a piece on marriage produced by, say, a Methodist Church, or a Presbyterian Church, would you still think the video was trying to "sell" something other than marriage? And, in the case of the film, what makes a good marriage?

[_cafe crema]

I really don't really like when anyone tries to invoke emotions that are unrelated to promote a cause or a product.

Would you think this is the case if the video was produced by a Church other than the LDS Church? If this was a piece on marriage produced by, say, a Methodist Church, or a Presbyterian Church, would you still think the video was trying to "sell" something other than marriage? And, in the case of the film, what makes a good marriage?

Yes I would think the same if it was made by a church or even a non religious entity. In the case of the film I don't see how a saccharine, emotionally manipulative film is of any use to someone in creating a good marriage.

[_Bazooka]

I agree that he misspoke in that statement, but that really doesn't have anything to do with the video. Did you bother watching it? If you would like to discuss this other topic you brought up, I will be happy to do that, but not on this thread. I would like to keep this thread to the topic at hand, which is the video. Thanks.

It is on topic, it's about the guy pontificating in the video.

[_cafe crema]

I agree that he misspoke in that statement, but that really doesn't have anything to do with the video. Did you bother watching it? If you would like to discuss this other topic you brought up, I will be happy to do that, but not on this thread. I would like to keep this thread to the topic at hand, which is the video. Thanks.

It is on topic, it's about the guy pontificating in the video.

I don't see how he could have misspoke, it was a general conference talk given by an apostle. He had months to prepare it and I believe he meant exactly what he said.

[_Tim the Enchanter]

My first thought was: get that man one of these!



I thought it was a sweet video, but I didn't cry. HeartSell music has the opposite effect on me. When I hear it, it's like I am physically incapable of crying. It's been this way my whole life (even as a TBM) so it has nothing to do with this particular video.

The message at the end ("Marriage provides an ideal setting for overcoming any tendency to be selfish or self-centered. … Pure love is an incomparable, potent power for good and the foundation of a successful marriage.") begs the question though, doesn't it? Why does God not want gay people to be in the ideal setting for overcoming any tendency to be selfish or self-centered? Would this video be any less sweet if it was an older same-sex married couple? I don't think so.

It would be more doctrinally accurate if it said "Marriage between one man and one woman (unless you lived at a time when God allowed the polygamy in this life or unless you have entered eternal polygamy by being sealed to more than one woman in this life) provides..."