"Mormonstories," Me, Credibility, Evidence, Double Binds

[Guest]

More gaslighting from schreech and RockSlider. Shameful. Who's obsessed with whom again?

Please explain in what way you think Schreech and Rockslider are gaslighting. I'm asking honestly, because I don't see it, but if it's there, I'm willing to be shown.

My take is that Screech and RockSlider are reacting to several days' worth of Rosebud writing book-length screeds in which she denounces John Dehlin as a really, really bad man who done her wrong over and over, without actually explaining why he is bad, or what wrong he done her.

Here's the summary of her postings, from the point of view of people like me, RockSlider, Screech, and probably many others, who have no fetching clue what all this past history is between Rosebud and John Dehlin, and are mystified by all her hand-wringing and threats-that-aren't-threats:

"Trust me, guys, if you only knew what I knew, you'd think he was a bad man too, and you'd be all sympathetic with me for the wrong he's done me, but I'm not going to tell you any of what it is, but if he doesn't straighten himself out, I'm documenting it all, and I will DESTROY HIS LIFE, but only if he makes me do it, and so help me Dawg, John Dehlin, you should just chill out, and move on, as I have, but I'm ready to DESTROY YOUR LIFE at any moment if you push me too far, but I've already gotten over it and moved on with my life..."

Now Equality, honestly, how is this sort of thing not a trainwreck on a board like this? Granted, you seem to know more of the backstory than most of the rest of us do, so try to put yourselves in our shoes, and read what she's saying as if you didn't know WHAT THE ACTUAL FUQK she's talking about. How does it look now?

Thank you, Mr Bag, for bringing some perspective to the thread.

With every post that rosebud makes, John Dehlin looks smarter for cutting ties with her. Its hard for me to get all riled up about some anonymous stranger claiming "abuse" when i know nothing about them, they threaten to ruin the "abusers" life on an open message board and they continue, with post after post about this alleged abuse, to tell us to just trust them and that they arent crazy or obsessive. Those actions seem unhealthy and obsessive...John Dehlin at least bowed out after being called on his douchiness...

[_schreech]

"She comes across to me as someone who has been hurt and manipulated and threatened, and has been put in a double-bind by the person who harmed her. And that's the thing about double-binds: if she reveals too much, the trap gets sprung."

Then maybe she should shut up instead of trying, desperately, to convince a bunch of strangers on a message board that she really isnt crazy and that she really does have evidence that she can't tell us about. It makes her look....obsessive and crazy...

[_Equality]

Then maybe she should shut up instead of trying, desperately, to convince a bunch of strangers on a message board that she really isnt crazy and that she really does have evidence that she can't tell us about. It makes her look....obsessive and crazy...

What makes you think convincing you of anything is one of her objectives?

[_Ludd]

/snip novella-length post/

I have long regarded John Dehlin as one of the least self-aware and most self-aggrandizing people in the bloggernacle. But you are, without a doubt, in the same league.

I'm almost at the point of putting you on "Ignore" just so I can fit more than two posts on a single browser page.

[_Equality]

Its hard for me to get all riled up about some anonymous stranger

Your posts in this and the other Rosebud threads suggest otherwise.

[_schreech]

that's very subgenius of you....viewtopic.php?f=5&t=34467&start=63

[_schreech]

Then maybe she should shut up instead of trying, desperately, to convince a bunch of strangers on a message board that she really isn't crazy and that she really does have evidence that she can't tell us about. It makes her look....obsessive and crazy...

What makes you think convincing you of anything is one of her objectives?

Lol. Maybe you should read the op....derp!

[_schreech]

Its hard for me to get all riled up about some anonymous stranger

Your posts in this and the other Rosebud threads suggest otherwise.

Yes, Im riled up :). Look, I get that you hate John Dehlin and will do whatever it takes to defend other John Dehlin haters regardless of what they do and say...Its like you are an anti-jd apologist. You might not see it, but you are doing exactly what the mopologists do when "defending" the LDS church. Good luck with that!

[_Equality]

Then maybe she should shut up instead of trying, desperately, to convince a bunch of strangers on a message board that she really isn't crazy and that she really does have evidence that she can't tell us about. It makes her look....obsessive and crazy...

What makes you think convincing you of anything is one of her objectives?

Lol. Maybe you should read the op....derp!

Maybe you should re-read it. She never says it is her intention in posting to convince you of anything.

[_Rosebud]

Thanks Equality and to the _many many_ of you who know the details and have stepped forward to support me recently. The rumors are rampant, it's not like the real world is restricted to what gets written on mormondiscussions. A record addressing what people have already heard, and making dated statements now about how this conflict has affected the events over the last two years without recording everything in a way that would cause harm is not a bad thing; it is a direct thing and demonstrates wisdom and discretion in a tough time. A message board is better than a blog or a podcast. This will disappear until it is needed again someday and thanks to the board's rules, my name is not attached via Google. I'm sure you can understand why that is important to me. Seems pretty obvious, no?

I do agree that I am done. I feel very much like I have said everything I need to say today and now. It's recorded and my voice has been heard to the extent I would like it to be heard at this moment.

Also, and I hope this makes sense to those of you who spend more time here than I do, it's not the thread that counts, it's the record that counts. Politics of message boards swing all over the place. This is your sphere, not mine. I do thank anyone who might have taken a political hit for helping me; I know that politics on message boards are important. To be honest, though, I really only skim the threads because I am not here for that purpose and I've learned that most of the posts in threads in places like this are about today's politics and my objectives are long term (well, and coping with "mormonstories" as I need to). I still haven't seen the Glenn Close post, whatever that was, because it's just not important. Women are very commonly attacked in such ways in forums like this. The fact that it's here somewhere insulting me tells me about the posters, the forum and the politics, but seems fairly irrelevant to me and to my objectives.

(And the attempting to dig for information through brandishing insults is even kinda cute, but don't tell anyone with too much testosterone that I said that. I'm think I'm supposed to be more insulted than I am.)

And nope, no mental disorder. Have fun with that one anyone who tries :P.

One other thing: I have worked very hard to not walk away from this conflict as the victim. I don't see myself in that light despite the extreme force that has been used against me. I just wanted to mention this as it's important to me and because many of mormonstories' enemies would love me to take that role on for them. I feel like the vultures who would like to hurt him are circling over my head ready to manipulate me as they can. The fact that he has played the role of perpetrator does not mean that I intend to take the role of victim, if that makes sense. That''s not my plan because I have other things to do with my life. My plan, including making a record that doesn't give out enough information to turn me into that manipulated victim and also directly addresses the situation and records my thoughts today meets my objectives. I'm sure that makes sense to many of you (regardless of whether or not you feel this moment is the right moment for you to post).

Hoping, again, for continued silence mormonstories. Well done and thank you. No more drama = good.