Sanctorian wrote:If that's why you're here, you're doing a horrible job. Every time you claim someone's conceptions and representations are "wrong", you fail to provide any substantial evidence to back up your claims and hide behind "I'm not at liberty to share". As far as I can tell, and we can take a poll on this, you have never once corrected any single alleged misconception or misrepresentation.
You might be good at Bible studies and languages, but when it comes to backing up your claims of insider knowledge, you fail miserably. Which is the very reason why you have failed to "correct" our "misconceptions" and "misrepresentations". Once again you make assertations that have no basis in reality.
maklelan wrote:You are wrong. It very much is, and particularly because it's how posters here rhetorically lump me together with people like BC and others.
I hope you're not referring to me. I do NOT consider myself to be an apologist. I'm a mentalgymnast.
Sanctorian wrote:If that's why you're here, you're doing a horrible job. Every time you claim someone's conceptions and representations are "wrong", you fail to provide any substantial evidence to back up your claims and hide behind "I'm not at liberty to share". As far as I can tell, and we can take a poll on this, you have never once corrected any single alleged misconception or misrepresentation.
You might be good at Bible studies and languages, but when it comes to backing up your claims of insider knowledge, you fail miserably. Which is the very reason why you have failed to "correct" our "misconceptions" and "misrepresentations". Once again you make assertations that have no basis in reality.
*assertions
Your assertion that my use of assertations is wrong is the best argument you have to correct my misconceptions of you and your failure on this board? Please, enlighten me with your wisdom oh great apologist. But you don't like the term apologist do you? Unfortunately for you, you don't get to decide what we all think of you. Another failure on your part to "correct" our "misrepresentations" and "misconceptions". Keep swinging for the fences maklelan. You might just hit the ball soon enough.
Sanctorian wrote:...you don't get to decide what we all think of you.
<blink, blink>"Why, yes -- as a matter of fact I do have a mouse in my pocket."
If you are implying that I am speaking for you in that meklelan is a tool, that was not my intent. If you want to let meklelan tell you how you should think of him, be my guest. If you want to decide what you want to think of meklelan, then yes, my sentence makes perfect sense that he does not get to decide how "we all" think of him. "We all" might not agree on what meklelan is or is not, but "we all" should get to decide for ourselves and not be told by meklelan what he wants us to say about said character/titles.
Bazooka wrote:I Look forward to you re-engaging your position that a literal, global flood is not official doctrine...
My position has been made and hasn't really been seriously challenged. You've just put on your rhetorical puppet show, but you've not really directly engaged my points. You've just shown over and over that you think you can reconstruct the nature of the LDS worldview from a few selective historical quotes and a lot of ignorance and antagonism.
When you say "a few selective historical quotes" you mean "all current Church teaching manuals and extensive and consistent quotes from General Authorities of the Church across every generation since the Resoration". But don't let stop you having a different personal interpretation of what is and what isn't officially doctrine.
That said, with the Book of Mormon, we are not dealing with a civilization with no written record. What we are dealing with is a written record with no civilization. (Runtu, Feb 2015)
Bazooka wrote:When you say "a few selective historical quotes" you mean "all current Church teaching manuals and extensive and consistent quotes from General Authorities of the Church across every generation since the Resoration". But don't let stop you having a different personal interpretation of what is and what isn't officially doctrine.
I'm not talking about the flood, I'm talking about the Church and the membership's conceptualization of its doctrine. By all means, continue to pretend to lecture me about what I am and am not supposed to believe. It's so very convincing.
Bazooka wrote:When you say "a few selective historical quotes" you mean "all current Church teaching manuals and extensive and consistent quotes from General Authorities of the Church across every generation since the Resoration". But don't let stop you having a different personal interpretation of what is and what isn't officially doctrine.
I'm not talking about the flood, I'm talking about the Church and the membership's conceptualization of its doctrine. By all means, continue to pretend to lecture me about what I am and am not supposed to believe. It's so very convincing.
Obviously Bazooka has no idea what you are talking about, but that doesn't matter to him. He has his own self-indulgent misconceptions of what Mormonism and the LDS Church in particular is all about, what its doctrines really are, and how they are arrived at. He is incapable of accepting other views on these matters and will continue to regurgitate tired assertions and other nonsense. I doubt he'll ever seriously engage you on any points you bring up.
Oh well, have fun with him maklelan. You have shown that you have a lot more patience than I have.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco - To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
I do NOT consider myself to be an apologist. I'm a mentalgymnast.