Nightlion wrote:... The New York cement box was a temporary spiritual containment. I do not believe it is discoverable. Joseph returned the Gold Plates to a different spiritual repository. Things hid up unto the Lord take on a hyperdimensionality ...
Didn't you try to write science fiction?
You may become L. Ron Hubbard II ... think about it !
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco - To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
Nightlion wrote:... The New York cement box was a temporary spiritual containment. I do not believe it is discoverable. Joseph returned the Gold Plates to a different spiritual repository. Things hid up unto the Lord take on a hyperdimensionality ...
Didn't you try to write science fiction?
You may become L. Ron Hubbard II ... think about it !
Think about it Ludwigm. When your wife asks how you came up with a certain idea, and you don't can't remember or don't want to say the source, just tell her you picked it up from the hyperdimension.
Nightlion wrote:... The New York cement box was a temporary spiritual containment. I do not believe it is discoverable. Joseph returned the Gold Plates to a different spiritual repository. Things hid up unto the Lord take on a hyperdimensionality ...
ludwigm wrote:Didn't you try to write science fiction?
You may become L. Ron Hubbard II ... think about it !
moksha wrote:Think about it Ludwigm. When your wife asks how you came up with a certain idea, and you don't can't remember or don't want to say the source, just tell her you picked it up from the hyperdimension.
Sorry, it wouldn't work. My wife graduated in nuclear physic, she taught math and phys in different schools (in one of that schools - in a damned one - we met). She doesn't believe in hyperdimensions --- only in Mormonism, forget this please --- my liaisons should be hide by more tricky way. Call for details... if You want to sin!
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco - To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
Kishkumen wrote:Yes, a few Mormon Studies scholars with real heft have told Hamblin he has misread or distorted Ben Park's text. Taylor Petrey and Nate Oman have pointed such things out. Hamblin refuses to give it up, though. Despite the fact that it has been brought to his attention that Ben Park has published his faith in the Book of Mormon's antiquity, Hamblin continues to see a commie in every shadow.
Park has released a statement in response. I expect Hamblin to issue a blog post shortly that states: "Park's statement raises more questions than it answers."
“A scholar said he could not read the Book of Mormon, so we shouldn’t be shocked that scholars say the papyri don’t translate and/or relate to the Book of Abraham. Doesn’t change anything. It’s ancient and historical.” ~ Hanna Seariac
ludwigm wrote:Sorry, it wouldn't work. My wife graduated in nuclear physic, she taught math and phys in different schools (in one of that schools - in a damned one - we met).
Being semi-serious for just a second... This is amazing to me how such a well educated, intelligent person can just switch off their brain when they want to believe in Mormonism. To me that's a miracle far greater than parting the Red Sea. OK...seconds up, back to our discussion. (Such as it is).
A friendship that requires agreement in all things, is not worthy of the term friendship.
In the comments to Ben Park's statement on T&S, there is a very lovely thought (and admonition) from David Holland (the author of the one of two books Park reviewed) which I have quoted below. I would like to see DCP and Hamblin respond to this advice rather than continue their attacks on Park. If this is about revenge, they are barking up the wrong tree (as Nate Oman said to DCP on Facebook, "these aren't the droids you're looking for").
In the “crooked, broken, scattered, and imperfect language” with which we must work, there will always be space between what a book says and the way a reviewer paraphrases it, between the way a reviewer paraphrases it and the way the reviewer actually understood it. Those holes and fissures will forever exist as long as we have to use words to speak to one another. If nowhere else, in the household of faith we ought to read those gaps charitably. I believe in a hermeneutics of charity, where we understand the limitations of language and assume the best about intent. We can hold each other to high standards of linguistic precision (I have held others to such a standard, and have in turn been rightfully criticized for failing to meet that standard myself). But we must remember that we will all fall short in fully capturing our own hearts and minds, let alone accurately expressing those of another. I hope that as fellow Saints we, of all people, can tread carefully and kindly through that haunted, distorted landscape that stretches between our words and our souls.
Holland responded to Park's review? Or is this a generic statement? That's pretty unusual for an author to provide a rebuttal, even though this isn't really one.
There is a place and a purpose for the apologetics which Dr. Peterson pursues. It is generally well-written and understandable to your typical seminary teacher looking for answers.
Dr. Park's review is almost Ostler-like in its inability to communicate clear thought, and it is the hedging language of the academician not calculated to be read by the unwashed masses.
Tom wrote:Park has released a statement in response. I expect Hamblin to issue a blog post shortly that states: "Park's statement raises more questions than it answers."
Park responded with far more grace than they deserved.
We hate to seem like we don’t trust every nut with a story, but there’s evidence we can point to, and dance while shouting taunting phrases.