The Irrelevance of LDS Leaders, Part 2

[_Finn the human]

For 10 bonus points...

I have been playing along at home and here is my score card:

Plus 10 points to MG for making an effort.
Minus 10 points to Darth for not responding in a chivalrous way.
Plus 100 points to Darth for an interesting post.

I would also like to give my TBM response: You can watch rated R movies and still get a temple recommend. You just might miss out on some bonus blessings. However, following prophetic counsel is always best.

[_cwald]

For 10 bonus points...

I have been playing along at home and here is my score card:

Plus 10 points to MG for making an effort.
Minus 10 points to Darth for not responding in a chivalrous way.
Plus 100 points to Darth for an interesting post.

I would also like to give my TBM response: You can watch rated R movies and still get a temple recommend. You just might miss out on some bonus blessings. However, following prophetic counsel is always best.

So you agree that it is okay to pick and choose which counsels from the prophets to obey? As long as it doesn't effect one's temple recommend status?

[Guest]

Isn't taking the Church too literally one of the favorite accusations made by apologists confronting the disillusioned Mormon discovering historical issues like Joseph's polygamy?

Like mixing JPop and metal, some people's "“F” no!" is other people's "hell yeah!"

[_malkie]

Isn't taking the Church too literally one of the favorite accusations made by apologists confronting the disillusioned Mormon discovering historical issues like Joseph's polygamy?

Like mixing JPop and metal, some people's "f*** no!" is other people's "hell yeah!"

for what it's worth, I'm on the "hell yeah!" side.

[_mentalgymnast]

For 10 bonus points, name the person in this thread who responded to the substance of a statement with, "always the lawyer."

Back from church and from a LONG walk with a buddy that used to be in my ward and we're kindred spirits. We like to go hiking and/or walking and stretch our minds outside of the box of traditional/orthodox thinking which seems to be par for the course in our church attendance. It's fun to bounce ideas off of others that have retained a sense of faith and/or possibilities within the Mormon faith paradigm. Survival strategies and such.

Anyway, can I play too? I would guess you're referring to me.

I spent my career (now retired) in the teaching profession. I don't think like a lawyer. You are a lawyer. You do think like one...I would assume. What that really means is simply that we come from two different places in the way we think, reason, rationalize, and what have you. Your approach to Mormonism seems, at least to me, to be rather legalistic, rigid, and tight. I tend to be rather NOT like that. I'm open to many and varied ways of approach to solving problems and getting answers. Kind of a holdover from being in the classroom for many years. So I'm not criticizing you as much as I'm saying we sort of live in different worlds and our worlds collide now and then. I actually don't see you as a "Korihor" as much as I see you as a very dogmatic, legalistic, by the book, black/white, strictly logical/definitional sort of fellow. And we need those sort of folks. Here on this board it's good to have your POV because it keeps us centered on what Mormon orthodoxy and practice has been at one time or another and how those "worlds" collide at times. And I find that interesting.

If I've said something that personally offends you I'm sorry. I'm sure you're a nice guy. If you're here in Utah I'll take you out to lunch.

Regards,
MG

[_Tobin]

If I've said something that personally offends you I'm sorry. I'm sure you're a nice guy. If you're here in Utah I'll take you out to lunch.

Wow, you are naïve and a terrible judge of character.

[_mentalgymnast]

If I've said something that personally offends you I'm sorry. I'm sure you're a nice guy. If you're here in Utah I'll take you out to lunch.

Wow, you are naïve and a terrible judge of character.

I like the interchange of ideas. Lunch would be worth it. Same offer applies to you.

Regards,
MG

[_honorentheos]

Isn't taking the Church too literally one of the favorite accusations made by apologists confronting the disillusioned Mormon discovering historical issues like Joseph's polygamy?

Like mixing JPop and metal, some people's "f*** no!" is other people's "hell yeah!"

for what it's worth, I'm on the "hell yeah!" side.

I was on the "Hellll what???!" side. I'm still not sure about it. But it made me laugh so it can't be bad.

[_cwald]

I can't think of anything less pleasant than having lunch with Tobin.

[_Finn the human]

So you agree that it is okay to pick and choose which counsels from the prophets to obey? As long as it doesn't effect one's temple recommend status?

There are many shades of TBM's. For example, you can:
Keep the Sabbath Day holy.
Keep the Sabbath Day holy, and not watch sports.
Keep the Sabbath Day holy, and only study church related material.
Keep the Sabbath Day holy, only study church related materal, and stay in your Sunday clothes all day!

While the above example is not as black and white as choosing to never see a rated R movie, it turns out that members of God's one true church can be rationalizing hypocrites just like everyone else.

Maybe some Mormons see it this way: Is there a difference between getting into the Celestial Kingdom with a C, which is still a passing grade, or do you need an A+?