The Irrelevance of LDS Leaders, Part 2

[_Tobin]

Yes you are hilarious. Who cares what you and Maklelan observed? I quoted him. It's all there in black and white. The only misbehavior was by you. You are a troll and a hypocrite. This is about as honest and frank as it gets. Read the quotes, that shows who is distorting what.

I'll agree that I think it is pretty clear what is going on and I think people have enough information to make up their own minds. As I've said, I discount and will continue to discount everything you have to say since you've repeated the same bad behavior here as I've seen from you before. And I have wonder if you actually attend historical conferences and present material?!? Given your track record on this forum, it must be a fascinating display. I would certainly like to attend one just for the entertainment value alone.

[Guest]

Yes you are hilarious. Who cares what you and Maklelan observed? I quoted him. It's all there in black and white. The only misbehavior was by you. You are a troll and a hypocrite. This is about as honest and frank as it gets. Read the quotes, that shows who is distorting what.

I'll agree that I think it is pretty clear what is going on and I think people have enough information to make up their own minds. As I've said, I discount and will continue to discount everything you have to say since you've repeated the same bad behavior here as I've seen from you before. And I have wonder if you actually attend historical conferences and present material?!? Given your track record on this forum, it must be a fascinating display. I would certainly like to attend one just for the entertainment value alone.

Just as much fun I suppose as seeing you get up and explain the beings from the 9th Dimension and Plan Tobin from Outerspace. Yup, all the information is right there. I have no problems with that, only with your name calling and then claiming injury when someone else calls you a hypocrite and delusional as you surely are.



...... I finally FEEL the THUNDER!!

[_cwald]

Maybe someone should do a "biggest douche" poll? I wonder how that would work out for you Tobin?

Let's see, hmm? Who is the bigger douche? Grindael or Tobin/Mak? Let me think about this for a while.

[_Tobin]

Just as much fun I suppose as seeing you get up and explain the beings from the 9th Dimension and Plan Tobin from Outerspace. Yup, all the information is right there. I have no problems with that, only with your name calling and then claiming injury when someone else calls you a hypocrite and delusional as you surely are.

Many respected scientists believe in the existence of intelligent life outside of our biosphere, but there you go again being silly and stating everyone that doesn't agree with you is simply delusional. And remind me again when I stated I was a historian or made any pretenses to be a scholar? Wait. I didn't. You are the one with these supposed aspirations. And as I've said, you will always be terrible at it because you are thoroughly dishonest, deceitful, disreputable, and have absolutely no respect for the facts or the truth.

[_Quasimodo]

Hilarious. If you don't think my opinion is worth anything, then why continue to respond?

Now, is what I (AND maklelan) observed about you in that thread true? I think it is pretty clear it is true GIVEN your own misbehavior in that thread and this. Now, as I've said, I'm sorry you take it personally, but if you wish to pretend you are a scholar (or historian) or whatever you attribute yourself as and want to be taken seriously someday, then I suggest you try some honesty and candor. When you distort and misrepresent what I and others have said, it ONLY reflects poorly on you.

Yes you are hilarious. Who cares what you and Maklelan observed? I quoted him. It's all there in black and white. The only misbehavior was by you. You are a troll and a hypocrite. This is about as honest and frank as it gets. Read the quotes, that shows who is distorting what.

Hi grindael!

You may have fallen into the Tobin trap. Tobin doesn't really care how you respond, only that you do respond. I've seen this sort of thing go on for 16 pages or more. I think it's best to not to respond. It just encourages him.

[_Darth J]

For 10 bonus points...

I have been playing along at home and here is my score card:

Plus 10 points to MG for making an effort.
Minus 10 points to Darth for not responding in a chivalrous way.

Yes, I should have treated him more like a lady.

Plus 100 points to Darth for an interesting post.

I would also like to give my TBM response: You can watch rated R movies and still get a temple recommend. You just might miss out on some bonus blessings. However, following prophetic counsel is always best.

No, that's not a TBM response. That's a cafeteria Mormon response. A TBM response is that you actually believe these guys are prophets, seers, and revelators, so you do what they say because you think what they say comes from God.

You're also still conceding the irrelevance of LDS leaders to their own church. There are a great many things besides avoiding rated R movies that LDS leaders have told church members to do or not do that are not temple recommend questions, either. Some examples would be not eating meat except in times of winter or famine, planting a garden, keeping a daily journal, not dating until you are 16, not wearing sandals to church if you are female, food storage, and genealogy. Since a person can get a temple recommend without doing any of these things, even though all of these items are "inspired counsel from the Bretheren," then self-professed faithful Mormons can and do disregard what they say. That's agreeing with the point of the OP.

Another question that is not on the temple recommend interview is whether you love your neighbor as yourself. Since a Mormon can get a temple recommend without affirmatively answering this question, or being asked at all, we can conclude this was just Jesus stating his opinion and speaking as a man, and we are therefore free to disregard it.

Now what a conscientious person with some kind of coherent sense of morality and theology would do would be to ask themselves why it's bad to have a cup of coffee, but acceptable to watch rated R movies, when both prohibitions come from the same source. (D&C 89, on its own terms, is not a commandment.) Readers of this thread will note that no such efforts are being made here or anywhere else.

[_grindael]

Just as much fun I suppose as seeing you get up and explain the beings from the 9th Dimension and Plan Tobin from Outerspace. Yup, all the information is right there. I have no problems with that, only with your name calling and then claiming injury when someone else calls you a hypocrite and delusional as you surely are.

Many respected scientists believe in the existence of intelligent life outside of our biosphere, but there you go again being silly and stating everyone that doesn't agree with you is simply delusional. And remind me again when I stated I was a historian or made any pretenses to be a scholar? Wait. I didn't. You are the one with these supposed aspirations. And as I've said, you will always be terrible at it because you are thoroughly dishonest, deceitful, disreputable, and have absolutely no respect for the facts or the truth.

Ahem. I have never said I was an Historian or a scholar nor have I made any pretensions about this. It seems that is what YOU think. Funny how that works when one reverses their own words on them, isn't it? And once again, all you have is name calling, no rational analysis of any evidence or anything of a sane nature to add to any discussion. As for life in outer space, so what? Your ludicrous and obviously delusional claims have no scientific basis at all. It is just more rantings from the lunatic fringe of humanity, people that have nothing substantial to offer so they have to make crap up as they go along and then try to pawn it off as reality. Seeing as you have deluded yourself with such nonsense it has obviously warped your brain and so you have to lash out at everyone who doesn't buy your silly little posturings. And I never stated that everyone that doesn't agree with me is delusional, not even you, you are simply delusional in your own right as attested by the wacko comments you continue to make.

[_grindael]

Hi grindael!

You may have fallen into the Tobin trap. Tobin doesn't really care how you respond, only that you do respond. I've seen this sort of thing go on for 16 pages or more. I think it's best to not to respond. It just encourages him.

Point taken.

[_Tobin]

Ahem. I have never said I was a historian or a scholar nor have I made any pretensions about this. It seems that is what YOU think. Funny how that works when one reverses their own words on them, isn't it? And once again, all you have is name calling, no rational analysis of any evidence or anything of a sane nature to add to any discussion. As for life in outer space, so what? Your ludicrous and obviously delusional claims have no scientific basis at all. It is just more rantings from the lunatic fringe of humanity, people that have nothing substantial to offer so they have to make crap up as they go along and then try to pawn it off as reality. Seeing as you have deluded yourself with such nonsense it has obviously warped your brain and so you have to lash out at everyone who doesn't buy your silly little posturings. And I never stated that everyone that doesn't agree with me is delusional, not even you, you are simply delusional in your own right as attested by the wacko comments you continue to make.

Just so we are clear, you have no credentials and have no expert basis (or pretenses) for your historical claims about Mormonism. And you believe it is delusional for anyone to believe in intelligent life in outer space. Anything you want to add while we are putting everything on the table?

[_Tobin]

Hi grindael!

You may have fallen into the Tobin trap. Tobin doesn't really care how you respond, only that you do respond. I've seen this sort of thing go on for 16 pages or more. I think it's best to not to respond. It just encourages him.

Point taken.

He can stop anytime he wants, but you should remember that he started this with his personal attacks on me. I've simply decided to not let him get away with it this time.