Did William Law try to kill Joesph Smith?

[_Quasimodo]

Quasimodo -

Your last statement shows a true lack of understanding why most people own firearms. It is low on fact, high on exaggeration liberal propaganda. Shame on you.

A quick response because I don't want this to turn into a bad derailment. I have owned guns in the past and still own two shotguns because of their sentimental value (one was my father's and one that I received as a gift from him when I was old enough to go hunting).

The fact is that the only purpose a gun has is to kill things. The only purpose for handguns, assault rifles, etc. is to kill people (they're not very good at anything else).

I have a brother-in-law that is an avid gun collector. For him, they are a fetish. I've suggested to him that collecting stamps or coins might make more sense.

[_ldsfaqs]

You have to realize, ludwigm, that one or two children dying on a weekly basis from accidental shootings is a small price to pay for gun advocates to be able to live up to their dreams of being John Wayne in old movie westerns or playing army.

Lot's MORE children die every week doing all kinds of things so you and they can "live up their dreams" doing whatever.
I don't see you on the band horse trying to "ban" those things or activities.

You use the excuse "well they are designed to kill"..... So?
Whether it's hunting or self defense, those are LEGIT needs of society (life and death) even more so than your GOD DAM CAR that is NOTHING MORE THAN "Convenience", which kills like 10 children a day.
And Traffic Accidents are the #1 cause of injury's to children.
As well, so many other stats with 100's of other activities that children are a part of, whether it's construction tools, playing on a playground, etc.

Your statement is so utterly further ignorant with the "John Wayne" comparisons.
Firearms are a TOOL necessary for life. Firearms SAVE LIVES 100's of times a day, and so much more related situations.
FAR more people LIVE from guns, than those who die from them accidentally. Illegal usage is still illegal, thus you can't compare.
In times past it was Sword, even Peter himself had a sword for self defense, even chopping a mans ear off when Christ was taken to be Crusified.
Yet to your mental reject brain, tools of self defense and hunting are nothing more than to live childish fantasy's.

Peoples LIVES are not childish fantasy buddy!

[Guest]

Quasimodo -

Your last statement shows a true lack of understanding why most people own firearms. It is low on fact, high on exaggeration liberal propaganda. Shame on you.

A quick response because I don't want this to turn into a bad derailment. I have owned guns in the past and still own two shotguns because of their sentimental value (one was my father's and one that I received as a gift from him when I was old enough to go hunting).

The fact is that the only purpose a gun has is to kill things. The only purpose for handguns, assault rifles, etc. is to kill people (they're not very good at anything else).

I have a brother-in-law that is an avid gun collector. For him, they are a fetish. I've suggested to him that collecting stamps or coins might make more sense.

Further, what you call a "fetish" could mean the difference between life and death to his family or others around him if guns are actually needed one day.
All your "fetish" people exist because so many don't take personal defense seriously.
Further, "collecting" is not a "fetish"..... It's simply collecting. Everyone is DIFFERENT having their interests in things they like to collect.
Some collect cars, some collect stamps, some collect guns, so collect Santa Dolls, etc. etc. etc.

No one is "better" than another person for "what" their hobby's are punk.
B fn glad we live in a country that we have the prosperity, time, and freedom to even have hobby's.
Man you people.... :(

[_Quasimodo]

Lot's MORE children die every week doing all kinds of things so you and they can "live up their dreams" doing whatever.
I don't see you on the band horse trying to "ban" those things or activities.

Well, since kids die every day from all kinds of things, I guess it's OK if they get shot.

Maybe you should start a new thread. I don't think this is the place to discuss it.

[_ldsfaqs]

Lot's MORE children die every week doing all kinds of things so you and they can "live up their dreams" doing whatever.
I don't see you on the band horse trying to "ban" those things or activities.

Well, since kids die every day from all kinds of things, I guess it's OK if they get shot.

Maybe you should start a new thread. I don't think this is the place to discuss it.

Is it "okay" that people die with other things?
No it's not, but it's a part of life. Accident's happen.

Stop being a [personal attack deleted].

As to other thread, you brought the point up originally, if you have the need to lie and misrepresent things, then you create it.

[_Quasimodo]

Is it "okay" that people die with other things?
No it's not, but it's a part of life. Accident's happen.

Stop being a hypocritical double standard fool.

As to other thread, you brought the point up originally, if you have the need to lie and misrepresent things, then you create it.

Shouldn't we get back to that William Law incident? Isn't that the OP?

[_moksha]

Calmly, the Prophet unbuttoned his shirt and bared his chest, and then said, “I’m ready now, Mr. Law.” Charles said at this point he nearly fainted.The Prophet buttoned up his shirt, gave Charles a meaningful look, and then said, “If you are finished with me now, Mr. Law, I have other things needing to be done.” (As quoted by Robert H. Daines at BYU-Idaho Devotional, 28 May 2002)

LDSfaqs, do you draw the same conclusion that the Prophet foresaw these "so called" bullets in Mr. Law's revolver were indeed not made of Kryptonite?

[_fetchface]

This just goes to show how stupid William Law was. The smart thing would have been to aim the re-fire at Joseph's chest. It's a good thing for Joseph that bad guys are *always* stupid.

And building on this, Joseph doesn't come out of this story looking very smart either. I mean, if someone just took a shot at me and the gun misfired, I would take that as the moment to either run away or try to wrestle the gun away from him or something. I certainly wouldn't stand there while the guy empties the revolver into a post/can/whatever it was. And wouldn't Law return to the task at hand (shooting Joseph in the chest) once he got the gun to fire?

This whole story is just too stupid to be real.

[Guest]

Some additional problems reported in this Reddit comment

Based on the birthday given here

Sarah Woodward Stoddard doesn't know how old her own son is. He was born April 1827. So he was going on 17 as opposed to "just turned 14".

[_Sammy Jankins]

This just goes to show how stupid William Law was. The smart thing would have been to aim the re-fire at Joseph's chest. It's a good thing for Joseph that bad guys are *always* stupid.

And building on this, Joseph doesn't come out of this story looking very smart either. I mean, if someone just took a shot at me and the gun misfired, I would take that as the moment to either run away or try to wrestle the gun away from him or something. I certainly wouldn't stand there while the guy empties the revolver into a post/can/whatever it was. And wouldn't Law return to the task at hand (shooting Joseph in the chest) once he got the gun to fire?

This whole story is just too stupid to be real.

It's a sloppy forgery. An unbelievable story. Anachronistic words and phrases. And apparently they couldn't even figure out how old people were supposed to be.