5 reasons to suspect Jesus never existed...

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KevinSim wrote:... the term bastard refers to a child that is illegitimate, and I guess I have a problem with people using a derogatory word that indicates there's something wrong with a child just because of something that child's parents did or didn't do. I don't like the term bastard at all.


I have to break it to you that a lot of people whose parents were/are not married consider it to be derogatory to describe them as 'illegitimate'. Just think what that word means in general usage, and you will see why they feel the way they do.

Try just saying 'a child whose parents are not married'. There you are: simple, neutral description.
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Quasimodo wrote:I'm also at a loss to understand how Joseph's legacy is a force for good in the world.

He drove home the idea that God actually wants to talk to us about Himself, that the Bible isn't the only source of information about God. I think that part of his legacy "is a force for good in the world."
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I have a question wrote:
KevinSim wrote:So, IHaveAQuestion, help me out on this. Why exactly do you think I owe you an apology?

You tried associating my interaction with Jersey Girl as someone calling women bitches and orphan children as bastards.

By Jersey Girl's own admission, she is a woman, and the record clearly shows that you described her actions as bitchy. So I owe you an apology because I tried associating your "interaction with Jersey Girl as someone calling women bitches"?

I brought in the term bastard as an illustration that the term bitchy was inappropriate, not to imply that anybody had actually used the term bastard; the term bastard was like the term bitch, I said. And it is.

I have a question wrote:You were, as you can see from my reply and from that of Jersey Girl, completely misplaced in your attempted prudish and unwelcome interjection.

How was it misplaced? You think it's appropriate to go around calling women's actions bitchy? I would say that calling women's actions bitchy is the thing that's misplaced.

I have a question wrote:If you cannot see that merits an apology I suggest you are beyond further help from anyone but a trained professional.

It boggles my mind that you can call the actions of a woman like Jersey Girl bitchy, and I end up the person that needs to issue an apology. It seems rather that the person calling the actions bitchy should issue the apology, not the person who points out that using such terminology demonstrates bad taste.
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Chap wrote:
KevinSim wrote:... the term bastard refers to a child that is illegitimate, and I guess I have a problem with people using a derogatory word that indicates there's something wrong with a child just because of something that child's parents did or didn't do. I don't like the term bastard at all.

I have to break it to you that a lot of people whose parents were/are not married consider it to be derogatory to describe them as 'illegitimate'. Just think what that word means in general usage, and you will see why they feel the way they do.

Try just saying 'a child whose parents are not married'. There you are: simple, neutral description.

At last, something I said that I can in good conscience apologize for! Thank you, Chap, for pointing this out to me. I'm sorry to anyone I may have offended for describing bastards as illegitimate children. I will try to never use that terminology again.
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KevinSim wrote:
Quasimodo wrote:I'm also at a loss to understand how Joseph's legacy is a force for good in the world.

He drove home the idea that God actually wants to talk to us about Himself, that the Bible isn't the only source of information about God. I think that part of his legacy "is a force for good in the world."


Well, I think that only works if you don't believe Joseph Smith made it all up. It's definitely a subjective opinion and not a clear force for good.

Someone with a different opinion of Joseph Smith's truthfulness might see it as just the opposite, a force for evil.
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I have a question wrote:You tried associating my interaction with Jersey Girl as someone calling women bitches and orphan children as bastards.

Also, I never at any point connected orphan children to bastards, or said that IHaveAQuestion associated orphan children as bastards.
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Quasimodo wrote:
KevinSim wrote:He drove home the idea that God actually wants to talk to us about Himself, that the Bible isn't the only source of information about God. I think that part of his legacy "is a force for good in the world."

Well, I think that only works if you don't believe Joseph Smith made it all up. It's definitely a subjective opinion and not a clear force for good.

Someone with a different opinion of Joseph Smith's truthfulness might see it as just the opposite, a force for evil.

I would say that the assumption that one can use something God tells that one personally as a kernel of truth that one can base her/his theology on, is a good thing, regardless of whether Joseph Smith "made it all up" or not. (Though, for the record, I don't think Smith "made it all up.")
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What if god were to tell me personally to decapitate a drunk? Is that a good thing?

If I use that communication as a basis for a theology that all drunks should be decapitated?
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KevinSim wrote:I brought in the term bastard as an illustration that the term bitchy was inappropriate, not to imply that anybody had actually used the term bastard; the term bastard was like the term bitch, I said. And it is.

In what way is 'bitchy' inappropriate in the same way as calling someone a bastard?
I posted the definition of 'bitchy' which is a commonly accepted term of reference used to describe "malicious or spitefully critical" language. It is non gender related and the way I used it was completely non gender specific. The only person here who seems intent on making this about gender or parent-less children is you. You are completely projecting your own misplaced and prudish sense of self importance onto a dialogue between two consenting adult posters who have absolutely no qualms with each other. If you don't like the tone of interaction between Jersey Girl and I then...DON'T damned READ IT!

How was it misplaced? You think it's appropriate to go around calling women's actions bitchy? I would say that calling women's actions bitchy is the thing that's misplaced.

Once again, the only person thinking this is gender specific terminology is you.

It boggles my mind that you can call the actions of a woman like Jersey Girl bitchy, and I end up the person that needs to issue an apology. It seems rather that the person calling the actions bitchy should issue the apology, not the person who points out that using such terminology demonstrates bad taste.

It may boggle your mind but the malfunction is all yours. I didn't call the actions of a woman anything at all. I enquired of Jersey Girl whether or not said posters posts were going to continue to be "malicious or spitefully cruel". I get that you think you're being a chivalrous man, coming to the defence of a poor defenceless little woman who needs a Priesthood Holder to stand up for her. But you should realise that your whiny, prudish, chauvinistic, self important irrational little screen dumps are being far more derogatory towards the poster Jersey Girl than anything I posted. She is far more competent at understanding words and context and in handling acerbic posters, such as myself. She is twice the man you are.

It's now too late for you to apologise to me.

But you should consider apologising to the board for the blatant derailment, overt sense self-importance, and for introducing the disgusting term you used for children without parents (I cannot bring myself to repeat it).
You should also apologise to Jersey Girl for assuming that, as a woman, she was unable to stand up for herself and needed you to come to her rescue. I treat women and men equally, you obviously think women are somehow unable to handle robust discussion.
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Hi Steel :smile:

SteelHead wrote:My 4 year old niece is burdened with actual knowledge of the tooth fairy.


I continue to be surprised (and a little disappointed to be honest with you) how many times these silly and mocking comparisons are trotted out on this board - by the good people that happen to be in your particular camp.

for what it's worth - I think y'all should have a private meeting and openly discuss what you all really think it does when you compare a belief in a Creator/God with phrases like "tooth fairy" "Santa" "Flying spaghetti monster" "4 year old child" etc.

Is it a blatant attempt to mock?
Is it a sincere effort to help us believers see how foolish we are?
Is it done to block and or stop sharing with one another?
Is it a performance aimed at a certain audience?

Thanks in advance for the replies.

Peace,
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