AmyJo..... you've questioned my statement that anti's lie...

[_ldsfaqs]

So, here's several examples of how Christian anti-mormons lie over and over again.

http://en.fairmormon.org/Countercult_mi ... Themselves

http://en.fairmormon.org/Criticism_of_M ... _of_Mormon

http://en.fairmormon.org/Criticism_of_M ... _Truth_DVD

http://www.fairmormon.org/perspectives/ ... god-makers

See Amy, when your side is making literally 1,000's of lies, misrepresentations, etc. about Mormonism and Mormons (and many more can be provided), you should ask yourself at what point is maybe you're not on God's side in your activities? It's one thing to error, we all do, but when someone literally lies in nearly every word they say, using a little truth to tell great lies, at what point is a person not a true "Christian" in that?

Mormons or other good willed people don't do that against others.
We first don't have ministry's against whatever, and then if we ever do speak, we don't lie and misrepresent at all concerning whatever we might have contempt for. Sure, there might be the rare error, to error is human, but the key word there is "rare". Literally 1,000's of lies by anti-mormonism on whatever subject is not error, but of evil, the Devil himself.

You think you "tell the actual truth" about Mormonism and Mormons. However, you do not, it is a distoration, a perversion, a lie in nearly every case and claim of yours. If your claims were true (minus the rare human error and falibility) we simply wouldn't be Mormons. Our entire worldviews is based on knowing what is really true, and having zero interest in man-made religion, the doctrines of men mingled with the doctrines of God.

Our standard is extremely high.... which means, you have been lied to, and are a willing participant in that lie, you bear false witness of others.

[_AmyJo]

So, here's several examples of how Christian anti-mormons lie over and over again.

http://en.fairmormon.org/Countercult_mi ... Themselves

http://en.fairmormon.org/Criticism_of_M ... _of_Mormon

http://en.fairmormon.org/Criticism_of_M ... _Truth_DVD

http://www.fairmormon.org/perspectives/ ... god-makers

See Amy, when your side is making literally 1,000's of lies, misrepresentations, etc. about Mormonism and Mormons (and many more can be provided), you should ask yourself at what point is maybe you're not on God's side in your activities? It's one thing to error, we all do, but when someone literally lies in nearly every word they say, using a little truth to tell great lies, at what point is a person not a true "Christian" in that?

Mormons or other good willed people don't do that against others.
We first don't have ministry's against whatever, and then if we ever do speak, we don't lie and misrepresent at all concerning whatever we might have contempt for. Sure, there might be the rare error, to error is human, but the key word there is "rare". Literally 1,000's of lies by anti-mormonism on whatever subject is not error, but of evil, the Devil himself.

You think you "tell the actual truth" about Mormonism and Mormons. However, you do not, it is a distoration, a perversion, a lie in nearly every case and claim of yours. If your claims were true (minus the rare human error and falibility) we simply wouldn't be Mormons. Our entire worldviews is based on knowing what is really true, and having zero interest in man-made religion, the doctrines of men mingled with the doctrines of God.

Our standard is extremely high.... which means, you have been lied to, and are a willing participant in that lie, you bear false witness of others.

You can read my response to your silly accusations in your Payson Temple thread.

The lies are coming from your camp, not the former Mormons. You falsely accuse us of being "anti" Mormon, when we're really anti-lies and distortions.

Mormonism was built on lies, fabrications and distortions. The fact that some of us here have reached that conclusion sooner than yourself seems to be lost on yer wee lil head. I pray that you will someday "see the light," because God loves you too, he just loves you too much to leave you like you are - living in darkness.

You have been deceived by the church you've sworn your allegiance to. Now in defense of that church, you are attempting to deceive others - even if you are doing so out of a sincere belief in its falsehoods. You have been lulled into a false sense of security with the Mormon "Linus" blanket.

Well, whatever rocks yer boat. If you want to keep living the lie, you will.

But you came here to try and dissuade us from our own common sense, and God calling us out of that fake religion? All I can say is SHAME ON YOU.

If you want to preach your false doctrine, please go do it someplace else.

As for man-made religions. You need look no further than Joseph Smith for what is "man-made."

The man was a con artist and a charlatan. Man, how he swindles people, even to this day!

I'm aghast at how easily some people are duped. :(

[_Tator]

ldsfaqs

I opened each of your links and I am familiar with them all. I have no doubt that there is a slant to some of the questions and an error or two in the videos but overall they convey the problems with Mormonism. The fourth link is quite old material, Ed Decker and the Godmakers, Ed started out with a good idea but got caught up in sensationalism. Much is true that he tried to expose but he has lost all credibility for me in my view.

All your examples, I admit, are not scholarly works. I see your criticisms as not real scholarly either. I fail to see how your views and opinions of others on politics and political history have any bearing on the Mormon issues and questions but you freely spew them out. As I said before I think you have a narrow mind that paints with a broad brush. Maybe I need to reread your post on the other thread but I took your comments and personal attacks as pointed at the posters on this board. But I failed at first to realize that you were painting with your broad brush and somehow you think I need to defend what Ed Decker has done and said in the past or an error in a video made by some group I am not affiliated with. Please point out the evil ignorant lies made by the posters on this board and without the politics please and then maybe we can have a conversation. I don't condone SuperDell's personal attack but I think he took your comments as personal attacks on the posters of this board and I did too.

faqs we have many scholarly discussions on this board and I do not find them evil, or lies, or ignorant but since you do please point them out. Please call me out on my supposed evil, ignorant lies but leave the politics at home and I'll leave Ed to you.

[_ldsfaqs]

You still haven't answered AmyJo why you think lying 1,000's of times on everything about Mormonism is somehow of God.

Again, we don't care of you think we are false, a cult, evil, whatever.
Why do you have to lie about everything, as the links as just a sample shows over and over again how you lie about and distort our beliefs, our history, the scriptures, etc.

Waiting.....

If you're so "right".... why not take on one of the articles?
Show us some of the anti-mormon claims, the LDS corrections, and tell us why we are still false and the ones lying.

Waiting.....

[_Jersey Girl]

You think you "tell the actual truth" about Mormonism and Mormons.

So do you.

However, you do not, it is a distoration, a perversion, a lie in nearly every case and claim of yours.

Which is what many Christians think about Mormonsim.

If your claims were true (minus the rare human error and falibility) we simply wouldn't be Mormons. Our entire worldviews is based on knowing what is really true, and having zero interest in man-made religion, the doctrines of men mingled with the doctrines of God.

So are many Christians.

So what I'm getting from the totality of your comments on this thread, is that you think it's okay for you to expose what you believe is evil, but it's not okay for anyone else to do that.

[_ldsfaqs]

So what I'm getting from the totality of your comments on this thread, is that you think it's okay for you to expose what you believe is evil, but it's not okay for anyone else to do that.

Nope..... as usual.

While I wouldn't be happy about people religiously attacking each other, I would be perfectly fine about it.
The problem is the lying.....

Again I repeat.... If I go on a Catholic board, I don't lie about it's history, it's leaders words, Catholic doctrine, etc. in order to be critical of the Catholic Church, it's leaders, etc.. I might make the rare misunderstanding, but I read and relay the history doctrines etc. for what they are and what they believe. I don't create a lying characterization of everything I say about them.
This is what normal good people do.

What I'm trying to show anti-mormons, is that what they do comes from the influence of evil, the devil himself.
Because, the righteous doesn't have to lie, misrepresent, falsely degrade a target in order to be critical of it.
Yet, anti-mormonism does in case after case after case, literally 1,000's of times over.

Anti's misrepresent our views on Grace, on Works, various parts of history, leaders words, ever and over again to then make their critical judgments.
Let alone how they also misrepresent the Bible, but hey, all the power to you, that's your choice. But, to misrepresent others, that's bearing false witness, directly disobeying one of the 10 commandments. Not only that, but efforts to stop the Faith of Mormons directly goes against Christ's own words on the subject in Mark/Luke 9.

[_Arrakis]

What I'm trying to show anti-mormons, is that what they do comes from the influence of evil, the devil himself.
Because, the righteous doesn't have to lie, misrepresent, falsely degrade a target in order to be critical of it.
Yet, anti-mormonism does in case after case after case, literally 1,000's of times over.

Anti's misrepresent our views on Grace, on Works, various parts of history, leaders words, ever and over again to then make their critical judgments.
Let alone how they also misrepresent the Bible, but hey, all the power to you, that's your choice. But, to misrepresent others, that's bearing false witness, directly disobeying one of the 10 commandments. Not only that, but efforts to stop the Faith of Mormons directly goes against Christ's own words on the subject in Mark/Luke 9.

19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”

Mormonism, itself, is an attack on historical Christianity and who fired the first shot?
Stop whining

[_Jersey Girl]

So what I'm getting from the totality of your comments on this thread, is that you think it's okay for you to expose what you believe is evil, but it's not okay for anyone else to do that.

Nope..... as usual.

While I wouldn't be happy about people religiously attacking each other, I would be perfectly fine about it.
The problem is the lying.....[/quote[

I wasn't referring to people religiously attacking each other. Perhaps I should have been more clear. I'm referring to people taking a critical look at things, in this case, a religion. Many of the people you refer to as anti-Mormon are actually ex-LDS. I'm going to assume that they know what they're talking about having lived and studied Mormonism throughout their lifetime and found it lacking in some form or another.

Again I repeat.... If I go on a Catholic board, I don't lie about it's history, it's leaders words, Catholic doctrine, etc. in order to be critical of the Catholic Church, it's leaders, etc.. I might make the rare misunderstanding, but I read and relay the history doctrines etc. for what they are and what they believe. I don't create a lying characterization of everything I say about them.
This is what normal good people do.

You create a lie every time you lump all "anti-Mormons" into a giant strawman so you can attack it.

What I'm trying to show anti-mormons, is that what they do comes from the influence of evil, the devil himself.

Is it working?

Because, the righteous doesn't have to lie, misrepresent, falsely degrade a target in order to be critical of it.
Yet, anti-mormonism does in case after case after case, literally 1,000's of times over.

You falsely degrade your "faceless adversary" every time you lump all "anti-Mormons" into a giant strawman so you can attack it. There are many thoughtful and well reasoned posts on this board by ex-LDS and others who are not LDS.

Anti's misrepresent our views on Grace, on Works, various parts of history, leaders words, ever and over again to then make their critical judgments.

In what ways?

Let alone how they also misrepresent the Bible, but hey, all the power to you, that's your choice. But, to misrepresent others, that's bearing false witness, directly disobeying one of the 10 commandments. Not only that, but efforts to stop the Faith of Mormons directly goes against Christ's own words on the subject in Mark/Luke 9.

I think that what you're calling "stop the faith of Mormons" is actually in most cases, people making an attempt to expose the lies they believe are being forwarded by the LDS Church.

They have a right to do so.

Next time you refer to "Christ's own words" and name two chapters of the New Testament, might you be so kind as to quote the portions of those books that you are referring to? There are many here who are unfamiliar with the Bible itself and speaking only for myself, I have no clue what you're referencing or why you are referencing it unless you quote chapter and verse.

[_Jersey Girl]

Mormonism, itself, is an attack on historical Christianity and who fired the first shot?

I'm glad someone else said it and not me.

[_Tator]

You still haven't answered AmyJo why you think lying 1,000's of times on everything about Mormonism is somehow of God.

Again, we don't care of you think we are false, a cult, evil, whatever.
Why do you have to lie about everything, as the links as just a sample shows over and over again how you lie about and distort our beliefs, our history, the scriptures, etc.

Waiting.....

If you're so "right".... why not take on one of the articles?
Show us some of the anti-mormon claims, the LDS corrections, and tell us why we are still false and the ones lying.

Waiting.....

Who is you?

I guess I am to assume this post is for me but from rantings I can't really tell. How about forget the past stuff (that is what the church does) and we discuss the new stuff like the essays or take on the CES Letter bit by bit and start a new conversation? Or you can continue your rant on each of your postings and I will continue to hold back the urge to type in fat jokes.