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A Modest Request...

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In our modern world of science and ever progressing knowledge the Holy Grail for many people is still immortality (as it was in the past). Some let themselves freeze after they have died, and they hope to wake up one day, being brought back from the dead by some advanced technology... others believe in a resurrection in a spiritual way and eternal life after the Judgment.

The man in this joke, however, has a more modest request:

An elderly Mormon asked his doctor if he thought he'd live to be a hundred.

The doctor asked the man, "Do you smoke or drink?"

"No," he replied, "I've never done either."

"Do you gamble, drive fast cars, and fool around with women?" inquired the doctor.

"No, I've never done any of those things either."

"Well then," said the doctor, "what do you want to live to be a hundred for?"

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It's all for this:

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"God" is the original deus ex machina. --Maksutov
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passenger wrote:In our modern world of science and ever progressing knowledge the Holy Grail for many people is still immortality (as it was in the past). Some let themselves freeze after they have died, and they hope to wake up one day, being brought back from the dead by some advanced technology... others believe in a resurrection in a spiritual way and eternal life after the Judgment.

The man in this joke, however, has a more modest request:

An elderly Mormon asked his doctor if he thought he'd live to be a hundred.

The doctor asked the man, "Do you smoke or drink?"

"No," he replied, "I've never done either."

"Do you gamble, drive fast cars, and fool around with women?" inquired the doctor.

"No, I've never done any of those things either."

"Well then," said the doctor, "what do you want to live to be a hundred for?"

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An intelligent 4-year-old girl known to me had death explained to her (basically, just as one day we started being alive, one day we shall stop being alive). She thought for a bit, and said "OK, so we have to make sure we do good stuff with our life before we die." [She didn't say it in English, so those are not her actual words].
Zadok:
I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis.
Maksutov:
That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
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A young single guy is informed by his doctor that he has an incurable disease and only a year to live.

The man asks the doctor if there is any course of treatment that will prolong his life. The doctor says no. The man asks if there is any up coming experimental treatments, even abroad that might offer hope.

"I am willing to go anywhere and try anything that might prolong my life" he tells the doctor.

The doctor thinks for a moment and says; "Well you could marry a Mormon girl and move to Provo Utah".

"Will that make me live longer?" asks the patient.

"No", says the doctor "but that year will seem like forever".
"Any over-ritualized religion since the dawn of time can make its priests say yes, we know, it is rotten, and hard luck, but just do as we say, keep at the ritual, stick it out, give us your money and you'll end up with the angels in heaven for evermore."
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Fence Sitter wrote:A young single guy is informed by his doctor that he has an incurable disease and only a year to live.

The man asks the doctor if there is any course of treatment that will prolong his life. The doctor says no. The man asks if there is any up coming experimental treatments, even abroad that might offer hope.

"I am willing to go anywhere and try anything that might prolong my life" he tells the doctor.

The doctor thinks for a moment and says; "Well you could marry a Mormon girl and move to Provo Utah".

"Will that make me live longer?" asks the patient.

"No", says the doctor "but that year will seem like forever".


It might convert him to euthanasia. :lol:
"God" is the original deus ex machina. --Maksutov
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Patient goes to see his doctor for a morning appointment

Doctor: I have some really bad news and also some worse news.

Patient : so what is the bad news?

Doctor: you only have 24 hours to live

Patient; what could be worse news than that?

Doctor: well I forgot to call you yesterday morning!


that hurts!

just jokin

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Chap wrote:An intelligent 4-year-old girl known to me had death explained to her (basically, just as one day we started being alive, one day we shall stop being alive). She thought for a bit, and said "OK, so we have to make sure we do good stuff with our life before we die." [She didn't say it in English, so those are not her actual words].


To be honest, Chap, I wouldn't have expected a different answer from her. Those children at the age of four or so are quite sensible and capable of learning from what the adults say. But I'd really be interested to know her answer if you asked her about the reason why we should do good things. And, by the way, what is good or not.

The answer she has given implies moral principles basing on the Christian doctrine and its scriptures on the one hand, and other moral insights that have become part of our culture since the time of the Enlightenment, attributed to many scholars and philosophers (remember i.e. Kant's "categorical imperative" = do not do to somebody what should not be done to yourself).

Imagine a young boy at the same age, maybe born approx. 1,500 years ago in today's Hungary, the son of a Hun. What do you think he'd answered - that we must do "good stuff" or better become a brave and successful warrior like his father? Is there a discreet universal principle that leads us to the insight that we must do or behave good? I'm not sure.
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