Tarski wrote:If you were right, they would have been here by your own logic and it would be obvious. But they haven't.
To put it another way, the very fact that there are no alien visitors is strong evidence that I am right. On the other hand you have no evidence of visitation or any other of your scifi religious fantasies. Evidence against no evidence, I win.
As I've already explained, they are likely already here observing us. However, we wouldn't know it unless they felt the desire to reveal themselves generally because of the huge disparity in technology between our species. They may be interfering with select groups or individuals though and that may be the source of some of our traditions of heavenly visitors.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
Tarski wrote:If you were right, they would have been here by your own logic and it would be obvious. But they haven't.
To put it another way, the very fact that there are no alien visitors is strong evidence that I am right. On the other hand you have no evidence of visitation or any other of your scifi religious fantasies. Evidence against no evidence, I win.
As I've already explained, they are likely already here observing us. However, we wouldn't know it unless they felt the desire to reveal themselves generally because of the huge disparity in technology between our species. They may be interfering with select groups or individuals though and that may be the source of some of our traditions of heavenly visitors.
Accepting this is like accepting that Joseph had gold plates but we can't see them because the angel took them. But you must still believe him because he said so.
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grindael wrote:Accepting this is like accepting that Joseph had gold plates but we can't see them because the angel took them. But you must still believe him because he said so.
Still behaving like a spoiled child I see. Even though there are good reasons to believe advanced life exists and should already be here, you'd still deny the likely possibility because they don't appear at your beck and call. I wonder if you immediately start denying the Sun exists after it sets or wait till it gets really dark to begin your denials?
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
grindael wrote:Accepting this is like accepting that Joseph had gold plates but we can't see them because the angel took them. But you must still believe him because he said so.
Still behaving like a spoiled child I see. Even though there are good reasons to believe advanced life exists and should already be here, you'd still deny the likely possibility because they don't appear at your beck and call. I wonder if you immediately start denying the Sun exists after it sets or wait till it gets really dark to begin your denials?
The only thing that I would deny is YOUR CLAIM of alien visitation and aliens that no one but you have seen because you have no credibility at all. Remember you claimed that you wouldn't believe anyone that claimed to have the truth but then claimed you had it. Sounds more like extensive drug use to me. OMG... The Sun is disappears at night? Whatever shall we do?
Is that when the ALIENS come to get YOU?
Riding on a speeding train; trapped inside a revolving door; Lost in the riddle of a quatrain; Stuck in an elevator between floors. One focal point in a random world can change your direction: One step where events converge may alter your perception.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
Swatting at flies TROLLBIN? You know what they are attracted to, don't cha?
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And... do try and keep up.... (new material helps instead of the same 'ol Trollbait)
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Tobin wrote: As I've already explained, they are likely already here observing us.
Zero evidence = pure fantasy.
Yet you use the word "likely" as if you have an abundance of evidence. So annoying.
You should have said "as I have already explained, I pulled it directly from my ass like everything else."
when believers want to give their claims more weight, they dress these claims up in scientific terms. When believers want to belittle atheism or secular humanism, they call it a "religion". -Beastie
yesterday's Mormon doctrine is today's Mormon folklore.-Buffalo
Tobin wrote: As I've already explained, they are likely already here observing us.
Zero evidence = pure fantasy.
Yet you use the word "likely" as if you have an abundance of evidence. So annoying.
You should have said "as I have already explained, I pulled it directly from my ass like everything else."
Many scientific theories began with zero evidence and have been eventually proven to be true. Your assertion that just because we lack proof (yet have good reasons to believe something may be lkely true), it must be fantasy is completely vacuous.
You've already conceded that what I stated may be likely true, so advanced beings should already be here. One reasonable explanation for why we don't realize it is simply because they are monitoring us and don't think we are ready or worthwhile to generally contact. It is inescapable that they would be millions if not billions of years more technically advanced than us and could easily conceal their presence. And I have never claimed I have proof that advanced beings are here. However, I can present a very reasonable case for why not only should advanced life exist, but that they are likely here and why we don't realize it yet. They may also be a source for some of the traditions and myths our species have in religion and elsewhere about encounters with such beings.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
Tobin wrote:Your assertion that just because we lack proof (yet have good reasons to believe something may be lkely true), it must be fantasy is completely vacuous.
umm, pay attention. I did not say anything about lack of proof. I claim we have no evidence and no good reasons to believe your assertions are "likely " true (your assertions about aliens visiting every part of the galaxy).
Here is what is missing:
* Good reasons. * Evidence.
Here is what I did not make an issue:
* Lack of proof.
Here is what you claimed I made an issue:
* Lack of proof.
Here is what your assertions are not ..............
"Likely"
You've already conceded that what I stated may be likely true
No I did not. Need a review?
when believers want to give their claims more weight, they dress these claims up in scientific terms. When believers want to belittle atheism or secular humanism, they call it a "religion". -Beastie
yesterday's Mormon doctrine is today's Mormon folklore.-Buffalo
Sounds more like extensive drug use to me. OMG... The Sun is disappears at night? Whatever shall we do?
Is that when the ALIENS come to get YOU? 
