Mormon God [fallen, saved, finite, exalted man ]

[_seven7up]

We are all Gods, by virtue of being the Children of God.

That isn't true. We are not all "gods" in the normal sense that we usually speak of the term.

Divinity requires certain authorities, powers, qualities, characteristics that we do not all have.

Jesus Christ was the only one of our Heavenly Father's children to have all these characteristics/qualities prior to mortality. In other words, Jesus Christ was "divine by nature" because he was spiritually perfect / sinless without having to enter mortality. Christ did not need saving and Christ did not need an atonement for his own sins, because He was perfect.

Divinity requires a holiness and sinlessness that the other children of God simply did not have.

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[_seven7up]

Where in the Book of Mormon does it teach man, animals and plants are as eternal as GOD

Well, mittens, I don't think anyone claimed that the Book of Mormon touches specifically on this subject. On the other hand, the Book of Mormon doesn't teach that God created everything "out of nothing" either. (Neither does the Bible.)

Melchizedek was the reincarnate Jesus since he was self-existent also

Not true. That is a minority opinion even among Christians. That old theory simply does not hold up.

Melchizedek was a "man", just as Paul said he was.

Paul was using "the man" Melchizedek as an archetype, because the "Hebrews" believed that priests could only be from the line of Aaron (the Levitical priesthood). Paul explained that priesthood prior to Moses did not require lineage. Paul was saying that we do not have a record of Melchizedek's lineage (mother or father). Melchizedek certainly was not from the lineage of Aaron, because this "man", a high priest, was from BEFORE Aaron was born. Christ DID have a lineage, through Mary (and in a certain sense through Joseph), however, more importantly, Christ had a priesthood from before Aaron which did not depend on mortal lineage. In fact, Christ had the priesthood from before the foundation of the world.

Paul never said that Christ and Melchizedek were the same person. In fact, the very fact that Paul says that Jesus was "like" Melchizedek indicates otherwise. Not to mention that this high priest, Melchizedek, was receiving 10 percent tithes of the goods taken from the slaughter of the kings. It doesn't make sense to think that a pre-mortal Christ was actually there to take the gold, silver, and other goods from Abraham as tithes.

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[_Mittens]

So why do the Mormons ridicule the Creeds when they teach God is incomprehensible

"eg" Jeffrey R Holland talk about relationship of God the Father


https://www.LDS.org/ensign/2007/11/the-only-true-god-and-jesus-christ-whom-he-hath-sent?lang=eng

Sorry if other Christians don't believe their own Bible.
See John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
To say you don't know everything about a subject is not the same as saying no one can ever comprehend it. The former is admission of reality(I have plenty I don't know) the latter is an statement of willful ignorant hubris(No one can ever know it).

The Bible also teaches Jesus is the ONE TRUE GOD
”The life appeared, we have seen it and testified to it, and we proclaim to you the Eternal Life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us.” 1 John 1:2 King James and we are in him who is the true even in his son Jesus, He is the True God and Eternal Life,” 1 John 5:20 King James


Mosiah 5:15 Therefore, I would that ye should be steadfast and immovable, always abounding in good works, that Christ, the Lord God Omnipotent, may seal you his, that you may be brought to heaven, that ye may have everlasting salvation and eternal life, through the wisdom, and power, and justice, and mercy of him who created all things, in heaven and in earth, who is God above all. Amen.

[_Mittens]

Where in the Book of Mormon does it teach man, animals and plants are as eternal as GOD

Well, mittens, I don't think anyone claimed that the Book of Mormon touches specifically on this subject. On the other hand, the Book of Mormon doesn't teach that God created everything "out of nothing" either. (Neither does the Bible.)

Jacob 4:9 For behold, by the power of his a word man came upon the face of the earth, which earth was created by the power of his word. Wherefore, if God being able to speak and the world was, and to speak and man was created, O then, why not able to command the dearth, or the workmanship of his hands upon the face of it, according to his will and pleasure?

Melchizedek was the reincarnate Jesus since he was self-existent also

Not true. That is a minority opinion even among Christians. That old theory simply does not hold up.

Melchizedek was a "man", just as Paul said he was.

Paul was using "the man" Melchizedek as an archetype, because the "Hebrews" believed that priests could only be from the line of Aaron (the Levitical priesthood). Paul explained that priesthood prior to Moses did not require lineage. Paul was saying that we do not have a record of Melchizedek's lineage (mother or father). Melchizedek certainly was not from the lineage of Aaron, because this "man", a high priest, was from BEFORE Aaron was born. Christ DID have a lineage, through Mary (and in a certain sense through Joseph), however, more importantly, Christ had a priesthood from before Aaron which did not depend on mortal lineage. In fact, Christ had the priesthood from before the foundation of the world.

Paul never said that Christ and Melchizedek were the same person. In fact, the very fact that Paul says that Jesus was "like" Melchizedek indicates otherwise. Not to mention that this high priest, Melchizedek, was receiving 10 percent tithes of the goods taken from the slaughter of the kings. It doesn't make sense to think that a pre-mortal Christ was actually there to take the gold, silver, and other goods from Abraham as tithes.

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If Melchizedek was a "man" he would have a Father and Mother and beginning

[_Tobin]

We are all Gods, by virtue of being the Children of God.

That isn't true. We are not all "gods" in the normal sense that we usually speak of the term.

Divinity requires certain authorities, powers, qualities, characteristics that we do not all have.

Jesus Christ was the only one of our Heavenly Father's children to have all these characteristics/qualities prior to mortality. In other words, Jesus Christ was "divine by nature" because he was spiritually perfect / sinless without having to enter mortality. Christ did not need saving and Christ did not need an atonement for his own sins, because He was perfect.

Divinity requires a holiness and sinlessness that the other children of God simply did not have.

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It seems from the scriptures that Satan had all these "divine" qualities too. Or at least 1/3 of the host of heaven thought he was qualified to be God.

[_seven7up]

If Melchizedek was a "man" he would have a Father and Mother and beginning

Paul called him a "man".

Melchizedek had no genealogical record. He did have a father and mother, but genealogy was not required in order to be a priest before the Levitical priesthood.

Here is a brief explanation (from an evangelical source, since you won't trust an LDS source).

http://www.neverthirsty.org/pp/corner/read/r002541.html

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[_seven7up]

It seems from the scriptures that Satan had all these "divine" qualities too. Or at least 1/3 of the host of heaven thought he was qualified to be God.

Lucifer was a "liar/murderer from the beginning". Just because some (1/3) thought he was right, does not mean that he was right. He was wrong.

God and his Christ were right, and they are right.

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[_Mittens]

If Melchizedek was a "man" he would have a Father and Mother and beginning

Paul called him a "man".

Melchizedek had no genealogical record. He did have a father and mother, but genealogy was not required in order to be a priest before the Levitical priesthood.

Here is a brief explanation (from an evangelical source, since you won't trust an LDS source).

http://www.neverthirsty.org/pp/corner/read/r002541.html

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Your link is just opinion and not scriptural

Who was Melchizedek? He was a man whom God used as a type of Christ. He appeared on the pages of scripture to show us thousands of years later that Jesus is our high priest. The old Law is gone. A new high priest has arrived, One who is merciful and faithful (Heb. 2:17).

It says a type of Christ but the Bible concludes he was Jesus

[_The CCC]

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Matthew 5:17

[_Tobin]

Lucifer was a "liar/murderer from the beginning". Just because some (1/3) thought he was right, does not mean that he was right. He was wrong.

God and his Christ were right, and they are right.

Who did Lucifer murder in the beginning (or ever)? What was Lucifer lying about to the 1/3 host of heaven? I very much doubt you can back up either of your accusations here. And the only reason he isn't God now is because he lost. The winners get better PR.