Assualt weapons

[_Ceeboo]

OMG!

Can you imagine?

[_Tator]

Ceeboo now I really want Rock to shoot you, you're turning me into a monster.

[_maklelan]

Just found this in the news a couple minutes ago.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/gun-de ... id/704734/

eta https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/won ... heres-why/

Additionally, while gun sales have increased, households owning guns have decreased. We just have fewer people owning more guns. It's not the raw number of guns, but the number of households with guns that correlates with gun-related homicides, suicides, and accidental death.

[_Themis]

Funny how an ardent defender of something, being ignorant of the actual facts, can be the causes worst enemy!

In theory, if one person in the CA shootings, with half decent target shooting ability (6" pattern ... chest, chest) had six rounds in a conceal carry ... lives may have been saved.

Possibly. I believe some of the shootings in the past have had people who were carrying but didn't use or have a chance to. In order to have enough people carrying handgun to likely have at least one in most small crowds how many people would need to have handguns and carry them around in public? How many shootings are there and how many lives would this save? Could we also look at how many lives would be lost due to other factors of more guns and more people carrying concealed weapons? Do you think more lives would be saved? Would more people be killed?

[_Lemmie]

Funny how an ardent defender of something, being ignorant of the actual facts, can be the causes worst enemy!

In theory, if one person in the CA shootings, with half decent target shooting ability (6" pattern ... chest, chest) had six rounds in a conceal carry ... lives may have been saved.

Possibly. I believe some of the shootings in the past have had people who were carrying but didn't use or have a chance to. In order to have enough people carrying handgun to likely have at least one in most small crowds how many people would need to have handguns and carry them around in public? How many shootings are there and how many lives would this save? Could we also look at how many lives would be lost due to other factors of more guns and more people carrying concealed weapons? Do you think more lives would be saved? Would more people be killed?

One more question, accuracy. It's not a done deal that having a gun as a concealed weapon means you can shoot well. (Excepting, of course Rockslider's hot wife. )

[_Tator]

Just found this in the news a couple minutes ago.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/gun-de ... id/704734/

eta https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/won ... heres-why/

Additionally, while gun sales have increased, households owning guns have decreased. We just have fewer people owning more guns.

The article does not state that, CFR.

It's not the raw number of guns, but the number of households with guns that correlates with gun-related homicides, suicides, and accidental death.

In your opinion? All and all you are ignoring that the stats are down. Way down.

[_RockSlider]

One more question, accuracy. It's not a done deal that having a gun as a concealed weapon means you can shoot well. (Excepting, of course Rockslider's hot wife. )

this is also a spot on observation. Gadianton also noted this (kick of gramps shotty). It is not enough for one to simply go purchase a gun and feel safe. You need to have experience with that gun, feel comfortable with it, shoot it.

This is especially true with these very short barrel hand guns. That hammer-less 357 will also jump right out of the hands of a novice with no experience with it. It barks and kicks LOUD and HARD.

But for anyone interested, that is the best handgun for someone with little to no experience.

1. it will shoot 38 specials (same caliber smaller casing) to reduce the kick.
2. the majority of these type of fights are within 15 yards and over in seconds
3. it is not hard to hold a 6" pattern with minimal experience.
4. no safeties, clips, actions, slides, hammers etc. to need to know about.

[_RockSlider]

Possibly. I believe some of the shootings in the past have had people who were carrying but didn't use or have a chance to.

I can't say, I've never heard one way or the other

In order to have enough people carrying handgun to likely have at least one in most small crowds how many people would need to have handguns and carry them around in public? How many shootings are there and how many lives would this save?

I can't say, all I know is if it did happen to me while with those I associate with and love, or even walking around some public place, having to hide helplessly while people around me are being systematically hunted and shot down ... if I happened to survive that, I could not live with myself knowing I hid helplessly waiting to be next.

Could we also look at how many lives would be lost due to other factors of more guns and more people carrying concealed weapons? Do you think more lives would be saved? Would more people be killed?

Once again I can't say, other than I don't believe the thousands of people with conceal carries in Utah alone have any significant statistics showing they have been involve with unintended injuries from having carried.

I inherited 32 win special, predates the 30-30 which basically replaced it from my grand father, it was his fathers (late 1800's)

In other words, Great Grand Father, Grand Father, Father, Me, children, Grand Children. Not one gun related incident across that scale in my world.

I suppose there are Darwin Award prospects all over the place for any number of categories. However I don't find it my business to try and legislate laws to keep them from winning one.

[_RockSlider]

Additionally, while gun sales have increased, households owning guns have decreased. We just have fewer people owning more guns. It's not the raw number of guns, but the number of households with guns that correlates with gun-related homicides, suicides, and accidental death.

What, existing households have thrown guns out?

I don't buy it Mak.

[_Lemmie]

Additionally, while gun sales have increased, households owning guns have decreased. We just have fewer people owning more guns. It's not the raw number of guns, but the number of households with guns that correlates with gun-related homicides, suicides, and accidental death.

What, existing households have thrown guns out?

I don't buy it Mak.

Mak means percentage of households, Rockslider, he just didn't say it very well. But good catch.