Assualt weapons

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_Themis
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Re: Assualt weapons

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RockSlider wrote:If I can't conceal carry, should I carry a knife, or baseball bat? what are my other choices that you see?


You were the one trying to suggest only two options.

Well I have, and have chosen to own and carry guns, and teach about them to my children, like my forefathers did for me. I have a long family history that with no issues, which I'm told is a Non-Sequitur.


The issue for me has not been whether you should be able to have a gun, but about whether having a gun for safety is really making one safer. People have brought up some evidence, but you don't want to address that. Getting caught up in a mass shooting is extremely rare possibility that you focus on while ignoring all the other possibilities that go into having a gun.

I'm not interested in others facts and others making decisions for me as to my own safety. You known, those freedoms I keep talking about which many have died for to preserve and yet Mak/others view as naïve and stupid.


You are usually better then this, but bias is keeping you from being interested in facts. These people didn't die to protect some right to a particular gun. They died for things of real importance. Society has rights and why it bans possession of many things like machine guns, grenades, etc for the safety of society.
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RockSlider wrote:Once again, there will always be those competing for Darwin Awards, It is not my business to try and legislate laws to try and keep them from winning one.


While we should care about them, reality is that they tend to be as much a danger to everyone else as they are to themselves. We licence people to drive a car, why shouldn't we require a license to own and use firearms?
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Themis wrote:While we should care about them, reality is that they tend to be as much a danger to everyone else as they are to themselves. We licence people to drive a car, why shouldn't we require a license to own and use firearms?


I have stated early that at this point in my life (post dooms day nut) that I have no problem with licensing. I noted you and Mak in that post because I was confusing banning/licensing which you both had pointed out to me.

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if you are going to let me keep all my guns, not banning any of them and maintain the right to carry them and use them freely (not range only, hunting only, under supervision etc. etc rules) This whole thread is mute.

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Supreme Court won't hear challenge to city's assault weapons ban

WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court's refusal Monday to hear a challenge to a Chicago suburb's ban on semiautomatic "assault" weapons keeps similar bans in place from Massachusetts to Hawaii — but not without complaint from two conservative justices.

Acting only days after two Muslim terrorists killed 14 people and wounded 21 others in San Bernardino, Calif., the high court declined to reconsider two lower courts' rulings that the ban was constitutional.

The action, hailed by gun control advocates, signaled that the majority of justices agree with the lower courts, or at least feel it's a matter to be left up to state and local governments. Similar bans are on the books in California, New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Maryland, Connecticut and Hawaii.

The court denied a petition, backed by the Illinois State Rifle Association, that sought review of the ban on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines in Highland Park, Ill. Such weapons have been used in several mass shootings across the country, including those in 2012 that killed 26 children and staff members at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, and 12 people at a Colorado movie theater.

"We moved forward with this ordinance with memories of Sandy Hook in our minds," Highland Park Mayor Nancy Rotering said after the court action. In the wake of the San Bernardino shootings, she said, "there is a need and an opportunity" for other communities to enact similar prohibitions.

Still, gun sales in the wake of the mass shootings and fears of terrorism continue to climb. November marked the fifth straight month of rising background checks — 2.2 million — recorded by the FBI. On Black Friday, one of the busiest shopping days of the year, a record 185,345 Americans underwent background checks.

And since the San Bernardino rampage, retailers have reported yet another spike in sales, similar to what happened after the Sandy Hook shootings three years ago.

Lower federal courts have ruled that statutes such as Highland Park's are not at odds with the Supreme Court's rulings in 2008 and 2010 permitting handguns to be kept at home for self-defense. Justice Antonin Scalia wrote in District of Columbia v. Heller that the court was not upholding “a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose."

Scalia and Justice Clarence Thomas said Monday, however, they would have taken the case. Thomas wrote a blistering, six-page dissent from the court's refusal to hear Arie Friedman's challenge to the gun ban.
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Ceeboo wrote:
Quasimodo wrote:since disco fever abated.



Disco fever abated?

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I think it's still endemic among bovines (sometimes called really mad cow disease).
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Themis wrote:The issue for me has not been whether you should be able to have a gun, but about whether having a gun for safety is really making one safer. People have brought up some evidence, but you don't want to address that. Getting caught up in a mass shooting is extremely rare possibility that you focus on while ignoring all the other possibilities that go into having a gun.


If I've argued that having a gun makes one safer, this has not been my intent, nor anywhere close to the point that I've tried to maintain during this thread. And that is my right to own my guns and not have someone else decide my ar-15 is only good for killing people and so it has to go. Mak tells me this is a naïve, twisted and sick desire because I value my right to own such a weapon over others miss-use of said in taking human lives.

I get beat up because I confuse banning with restrictions, and when I stop and see what you are saying there I have no problem. So since I'm not saying (and don't think I have said) you guys are wrong about having a gun around ups all the statistics that someone is going to get hurt. I don't care about those numbers ... I care about my rights to choose for myself, for my own family rather I'm willing to take that risk.

Same with a car, If I choose to own a car, or let my kids drive at young ages etc. that is a risk/reward choice which I want to make.

If I ride a motorcycle and don't want to wear a helmet, that should be my choice.

If I want to wear a seat belt ... my choice (hehe 2010 utah states 48% fatals had belts on, 46% did not)

These are very very old battles you guys. I'm shocked when Kevin and Mak claim that these are naïve and senseless Freedoms and have no clue why I would continue throughout this thread to harp on "Don't give up your freedoms for a false sense of security". Don't give up your personal decision making rights to higher authorities ... which yes Mak, do/will slippy slope from local government, to state, to fed to international.

Freedom, that thing your forefathers supposedly died for.
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Quasimodo wrote:


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I think it's only fair that I give you some publicity as well, friend! :smile:



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by the way - Have you noticed how many posts and reads your thread has?

You authored a Mega-Thread Q! :smile:
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Ceeboo wrote:by the way - Have you noticed how many posts and reads your thread has?
You authored a Mega-Thread Q! :smile:


I expect homeland security to be contacting me any day now

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RockSlider wrote:
Ceeboo wrote:by the way - Have you noticed how many posts and reads your thread has?
You authored a Mega-Thread Q! :smile:


I expect homeland security to be contacting me any day now

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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:




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Re: Assualt weapons

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Well one thing this thread has accomplished is showing that Ceeboo = gif monster.
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