My Favorite (to date) take down of Creationism.

[_Gunnar]

The problem with every creationist attempt to justify YEC that I have seen is that they invariably, by their own admission, start out with the presumption that the Bible must be infallibly true and inerrant before they even begin to look at any evidence. Then they resort to whatever ingenius mental gymnastics they have to come up with in order to salvage that initial presumption, by cherry picking the evidence, distorting or misrepresenting contrary evidence, or inventing whatever ingenius explanations they can come with to show why it doesn't really contradict the Bible, or, failing that, simply dismiss the contrary evidence out of hand. This approach is so blatantly dishonest, they should be deeply ashamed of themselves!

Scientists did not come to the conclusion that the Universe was billions of years old because they were atheists or because that is what they initially preferred to believe, Indeed, not all scientists who accept that are even atheists. They came to that conclusion, believe it or not, (sometimes resisting all the way) only because that is where honest appraisal of the evidence led them.

[_LittleNipper]

The problem is that Creationists realize all races are equal under GOD --- that proof being demonstrated Biblically. The evolutionist keep their opinions "politically correct." Creationists already have proof that GOD is real ---- They are SAVED individuals. The unsaved do not know God and simply cannot fathom the truth of GOD.

There is enough proof that all life originated only by GOD. There is enough proof that the entire Universe is expanding and held together by GOD. The question is a curious--- How? Jesus explained the Old Testament and spoke of Noah. Creationists believe Christ.

The evolutionist is under the presumption that the simple developed into the complex --- naturally. They have NEVER been able to prove this, much less create life. They accept Darwin.

Ludwigm, I never made up GOD. He daily reveals Himself to me. I know that space would be empty without HIM, and there would be no rationality for life. For the Jews to exist would be preposterous and the continued attempts to annihilate them would be an utter waste of effort.

[_The CCC]

The problem is that Creationists realize all races are equal under GOD --- that proof being demonstrated Biblically. The evolutionist keep their opinions "politically correct." Creationists already have proof that GOD is real ---- They are SAVED individuals. The unsaved do not know God and simply cannot fathom the truth of GOD.

There is enough proof that all life originated only by GOD. There is enough proof that the entire Universe is expanding and held together by GOD. The question is a curious--- How? Jesus explained the Old Testament and spoke of Noah. Creationists believe Christ.

The evolutionist is under the presumption that the simple developed into the complex --- naturally. They have NEVER been able to prove this, much less create life. They accept Darwin.

Ludwigm, I never made up GOD. He daily reveals Himself to me. I know that space would be empty without HIM, and there would be no rationality for life. For the Jews to exist would be preposterous and the continued attempts to annihilate them would be an utter waste of effort.

Creationists do not such thing. Creationists firmly point out that their Christian beliefs about their Christian God are materially and morally superior to any other God, and science.
SEE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedge_strategy

Proof of God isn't in the Bible. To the scientists acting as such the Bible is just a collection of Stone and Iron age fables that has survived for about 3 Millennia now. by the way over 40% of all American scientists believe in God. Including Dr. Kenneth Miller of Brown University, a Catholic, and a leading authority on cell evolution. Dr. Robert T. Bakker a leading Paleontologist is a Pentecostal preacher.
SEE http://www.millerandlevine.com/km/evol/
SEE http://www.newnetherlandinstitute.org/h ... -t-bakker/

by the way For over 150 years now creationists have been trying to disprove Darwin. To date NONE, NOT ONE, has succeeded. but you are entitled to try. Here is a real simple fool proof way to disprove Darwin's Theory. It takes no fancy education, or tools. Just a shovel, and a way to record what you find. Now go dig up a fully modern human skeleton in a previously undisturbed layer of Precambrian dirt. Good Luck.

Please demonstrate that your God is the only one able to create life. Mortal men have already made life in a test tube.
SEE http://www.udonmap.com/udonthaniforum/a ... 13609.html

[_LittleNipper]

The problem is that Creationists realize all races are equal under GOD --- that proof being demonstrated Biblically. The evolutionist keep their opinions "politically correct." Creationists already have proof that GOD is real ---- They are SAVED individuals. The unsaved do not know God and simply cannot fathom the truth of GOD.

There is enough proof that all life originated only by GOD. There is enough proof that the entire Universe is expanding and held together by GOD. The question is a curious--- How? Jesus explained the Old Testament and spoke of Noah. Creationists believe Christ.

The evolutionist is under the presumption that the simple developed into the complex --- naturally. They have NEVER been able to prove this, much less create life. They accept Darwin.

Ludwigm, I never made up GOD. He daily reveals Himself to me. I know that space would be empty without HIM, and there would be no rationality for life. For the Jews to exist would be preposterous and the continued attempts to annihilate them would be an utter waste of effort.

Creationists do not such thing. Creationists firmly point out that their Christian beliefs about their Christian God are materially and morally superior to any other God, and science.
SEE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedge_strategy

Proof of God isn't in the Bible. To the scientists acting as such the Bible is just a collection of Stone and Iron age fables that has survived for about 3 Millennia now. by the way over 40% of all American scientists believe in God. Including Dr. Kenneth Miller of Brown University, a Catholic, and a leading authority on cell evolution. Dr. Robert T. Bakker a leading Paleontologist is a Pentecostal preacher.
SEE http://www.millerandlevine.com/km/evol/
SEE http://www.newnetherlandinstitute.org/h ... -t-bakker/

by the way For over 150 years now creationists have been trying to disprove Darwin. To date NONE, NOT ONE, has succeeded. but you are entitled to try. Here is a real simple fool proof way to disprove Darwin's Theory. It takes no fancy education, or tools. Just a shovel, and a way to record what you find. Now go dig up a fully modern human skeleton in a previously undisturbed layer of Precambrian dirt. Good Luck.

Please demonstrate that your God is the only one able to create life. Mortal men have already made life in a test tube.
SEE http://www.udonmap.com/udonthaniforum/a ... 13609.html

Darwinian Theory is full of holes and is not without many skeptics. See: http://www.overcomeproblems.com/believe ... lution.htm

[_LittleNipper]

The problem is that Creationists realize all races are equal under GOD --- that proof being demonstrated Biblically. The evolutionist keep their opinions "politically correct." Creationists already have proof that GOD is real ---- They are SAVED individuals. The unsaved do not know God and simply cannot fathom the truth of GOD.

There is enough proof that all life originated only by GOD. There is enough proof that the entire Universe is expanding and held together by GOD. The question is a curious--- How? Jesus explained the Old Testament and spoke of Noah. Creationists believe Christ.

The evolutionist is under the presumption that the simple developed into the complex --- naturally. They have NEVER been able to prove this, much less create life. They accept Darwin.

Ludwigm, I never made up GOD. He daily reveals Himself to me. I know that space would be empty without HIM, and there would be no rationality for life. For the Jews to exist would be preposterous and the continued attempts to annihilate them would be an utter waste of effort.

Creationists do not such thing. Creationists firmly point out that their Christian beliefs about their Christian God are materially and morally superior to any other God, and science.
SEE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedge_strategy

Proof of God isn't in the Bible. To the scientists acting as such the Bible is just a collection of Stone and Iron age fables that has survived for about 3 Millennia now. by the way over 40% of all American scientists believe in God. Including Dr. Kenneth Miller of Brown University, a Catholic, and a leading authority on cell evolution. Dr. Robert T. Bakker a leading Paleontologist is a Pentecostal preacher.
SEE http://www.millerandlevine.com/km/evol/
SEE http://www.newnetherlandinstitute.org/h ... -t-bakker/

by the way For over 150 years now creationists have been trying to disprove Darwin. To date NONE, NOT ONE, has succeeded. but you are entitled to try. Here is a real simple fool proof way to disprove Darwin's Theory. It takes no fancy education, or tools. Just a shovel, and a way to record what you find. Now go dig up a fully modern human skeleton in a previously undisturbed layer of Precambrian dirt. Good Luck.

Please demonstrate that your God is the only one able to create life. Mortal men have already made life in a test tube.
SEE http://www.udonmap.com/udonthaniforum/a ... 13609.html

Darwinian Theory is full of holes and is not without many skeptics. See: http://www.overcomeproblems.com/believe ... lution.htm

Darwinism leads to liberalism: http://bclabjfoley.blogspot.com/2011/09 ... odern.html

Evolutionists have no experiment to prove evolution. Just How Well Proven Is Evolution?

by John D. Morris, Ph.D.

Evidence for Creation › Evidence for Truth › Natural Laws › Science Tests Subjective Experience against Absolute Truth › Empirical Science Is Observable


Recently I was a guest on CNN's Lou Dobbs program, discussing the difference between evolution, intelligent design, and creation. The other two guests were well- known ID spokesmen, Dr. Jon Wells, and famous evolutionist, Dr. Michael Ruse.

In the middle of the discussion, Dr. Ruse claimed that evolution is a proven fact, just as "proven" as 2+2=4. When challenged, he insisted the two statements are equivalently true. Is this so? If not, what is the difference?

Here's a simple experiment to verify one of the statements. Extend two fingers on your left hand, and then extend two on your right hand. Lay them all on the table in front of you, and count them. You should get four. If you are careful, every time you count them, you will get four. It's an observational fact.

Now devise an experiment to verify evolution. Keep trying. There must be one. I suspect even Dr. Ruse would be unable to propose an experiment to verify evolution like we verified our mathematical equation. Even if both statements are facts, obviously they are not the same kind of facts.

That's because evolution is not something we can observe. If it's happening today, it's going too slow to observe. If it happened in the past, we can't return to the past to see. It may be a fact of history, but how would we know? Certainly not in the same way we know 2+2=4.

Evolution, at the most, is an idea about history, not observational science. There may be inferences we can make about the past based on modern observations, and these may or may not be true, but don't bother claiming that ideas about history are the same as repeatable observations in the present. And don't insult us by thinking that we will believe that they are.

It makes you wonder if evolutionists really believe what they say or if they are purposively trying to mislead. I suspect there are some of both.

Many evolutionists I have met have something in their own past that has turned them away from "religion." Maybe it was legalistic parents or abuse by a respected figure. Maybe it was the insistence that we should "avoid science because it contradicts the Bible," leaving them without answers to historical claims made in the name of science. A bitter hatred of God and Biblical truth developed, leading them to a life dedicated to freeing others from the shackles of Scripture, justifying the wrong use of evolutionary claims.

However, most evolutionists are evolutionists because they are victims of the wrong teaching of others. Naturalism (i.e., naturalistic evolution) is often desirable, for it seemingly frees us from the authority of a Creator God. Without a God to whom we are accountable, we are free to live as we choose. College students, often surrounded by hedonism are particularly ripe for wrong thinking, and many never recover. Either way, it can lead to ludicrous statements, such as "evolution is as true as 2+2=4."

Thankfully, most people are not hopelessly deceived. Polls in America show that the majority believes in creation, and many more want it taught. Less than 10% are confirmed evolutionists, yet they seemingly control education. They may teach that evolution is well proven, but we don't have to believe them.

Cite this article: John D. Morris, Ph.D. 2006. Just How Well Proven Is Evolution?. Acts & Facts. 35 (2).

[_The CCC]

Little Nipper:

Science by its very definition is highly skeptical. We have to show by physical evidence every proposition. No one in over 150 years has been able to disprove Darwin's Theory. That life changes over time. Quit wasting your and my time with your silly links. Just disprove the Theory. I've already told you how to do it. Now go do it.

[_Morley]

Such a wealth of wrong. I don't want to be greedy, so I'm only going to pick up one diamond.

Of Apes and Men guest article by Harry E. "Buddy" Payne, Jr.

2. Man's unique ability to transmit knowledge from one generation to the next has led to tremendous progress in developing technology and civilization. While there are some animals that seem to have intricate social systems (e.g. ants, bees, baboons) these are all instinctive and remain the same from one generation to the next. In this, too, man is different in kind from all of the animals.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_macaque#Intelligence_and_culture

The Japanese macaque is a very intelligent species. Researchers studying this species at Koshima Island in Japan left sweet potatoes out on the beach for them to eat, then witnessed one female, named in my opinion (Japanese for yam or potato), washing the food off with river water rather than brushing it off as the others were doing, and later even dipping her clean food into salty sea water.[48][49][50] After a while, others started to copy her behavior. This trait was then passed on from generation to generation, until eventually all except the oldest members of the troop were washing their food and even seasoning it in the sea.[48][49] She was similarly the first observed balling up wheat with air pockets, throwing it into the water, and waiting for it to float back up before picking it up and eating it free from dirt.[49][50] An altered misaccount of this incident is the basis for the "hundredth monkey" effect.[51]

The macaque has other unusual behaviours, including bathing together in hot springs and rolling snowballs for fun.[49] Also, in recent studies the Japanese macaque has been found to develop different accents, like humans.[52] Macaques in areas separated by only a few hundred miles can have very different pitches in their calls, their form of communication. The Japanese macaque has been involved in many studies concerning neuroscience and also is used in drug testing.[citation needed]

[_LittleNipper]

Such a wealth of wrong. I don't want to be greedy, so I'm only going to pick up one diamond.

Of Apes and Men guest article by Harry E. "Buddy" Payne, Jr.

2. Man's unique ability to transmit knowledge from one generation to the next has led to tremendous progress in developing technology and civilization. While there are some animals that seem to have intricate social systems (e.g. ants, bees, baboons) these are all instinctive and remain the same from one generation to the next. In this, too, man is different in kind from all of the animals.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_macaque#Intelligence_and_culture

The Japanese macaque is a very intelligent species. Researchers studying this species at Koshima Island in Japan left sweet potatoes out on the beach for them to eat, then witnessed one female, named in my opinion (Japanese for yam or potato), washing the food off with river water rather than brushing it off as the others were doing, and later even dipping her clean food into salty sea water.[48][49][50] After a while, others started to copy her behavior. This trait was then passed on from generation to generation, until eventually all except the oldest members of the troop were washing their food and even seasoning it in the sea.[48][49] She was similarly the first observed balling up wheat with air pockets, throwing it into the water, and waiting for it to float back up before picking it up and eating it free from dirt.[49][50] An altered misaccount of this incident is the basis for the "hundredth monkey" effect.[51]

The macaque has other unusual behaviours, including bathing together in hot springs and rolling snowballs for fun.[49] Also, in recent studies the Japanese macaque has been found to develop different accents, like humans.[52] Macaques in areas separated by only a few hundred miles can have very different pitches in their calls, their form of communication. The Japanese macaque has been involved in many studies concerning neuroscience and also is used in drug testing.[citation needed]

Humans in general now watch TV. This is a trait that didn't occur a mere 70 years ago when Radio watching was the norm. That doesn't make anyone better than their grandparents. In fact, humans today seem far less likely far able to entertain themselves.... Seriously, humans are still human and the Japanese macaque is enjoying the fruit of it habits but is still not a new species.

[_LittleNipper]

Little Nipper:

Science by its very definition is highly skeptical. We have to show by physical evidence every proposition. No one in over 150 years has been able to disprove Darwin's Theory. That life changes over time. Quit wasting your and my time with your silly links. Just disprove the Theory. I've already told you how to do it. Now go do it.

Yes, and I am highly skeptical of your research and the links you provide, also. I've heard it all before. Still not able to create biological life in 150 years. Still unable to observe the emergence of any new species. And after 150 years there exist far less species today than existed 150 years ago. No repeatable experiment that proves that God doesn't exist or that evolution is the reason man exists.

Now, according to secular reasoning, I will prove that there is every reason to believe Jesus truly existed. http://listverse.com/2013/03/31/8-reaso ... y-existed/
Add to that the written documentation that refers to Jesus: http://beginningandend.com/jesus-exist- ... us-christ/
More reasonable assurance that Jesus existed: http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy ... -our-faith

[_ludwigm]

Ludwigm, I never made up GOD. He daily reveals Himself to me. I know that space would be empty without HIM, and there would be no rationality for life.

You are Tobin ver 2.0.

by the way how do you know that god is male? (you say he, him etc...)

You may wonder, in Hungarian - and in some other languages - the third person singular pronoun is genderless.

"Ő"


And space IS empty...